basic carb sync help

[cutlass79500]

im having a rough time getting a halfway sync. the idle wont go down with the idle screw i backed off all the sync screws still wont go down if you push down on the cable brk it goes down but pops back up soon as you let up. the cable is loose . i dont have a sync tool as of yet but would like to get it running close i have a good ear i know it wont be perfect but adleast it will run pretty good . when you move the throttle you can see #3 move before it touches # 4 same on the other side . anyone give me a hint i dont want to pull the carbs and airbox again .once i get it to idle with the screw can fine tune it for the time being

[hampshirehog]

If you've unscrewed the balance adjusters a lot I think you're gonna have to pull the carbs again and do a bench synch. Either that or buy a set of gauges). If you've backed those screws right off you could be a mile out of synch now.
When you do the bench synch make sure that the butterflies close fully without having to unscrew the idle screw completely.

[Dave8338]

When you do the bench synch make sure that the butterflies close fully without having to unscrew the idle screw completely.

May I add that a bread twist tie, with the paper covering removed...makes a great starting spacer when placed in the carb bore between the butterflies.

[LarryA_Texas]

im having a rough time getting ...when you move the throttle you can see #3 move before it touches # 4 same on the other side . anyone give me a hint i dont want to pull the carbs and airbox again .once i get it to idle with the screw can fine tune it for the time being

If you can see any carb move before the others you are way out of sync. You really have to fix that first. You can do it without removing the carbs if you want to, but you might as well bite the bullet and take them off. As you gain experience pulling and reinstalling carbs you'll get better at it. Bench sync them so that all the carbs open at the same time, and by the same amount.

If you try to do it without removing them you will have to see the butterfly valves...something that requires removal of the air box. Once you do that the carbs are almost off anyway.

Someone here includes in his signature line 'there may not be time to do it right the first time but you will have time to do it right the second time.' or something like that. This is very true in your case. You installed them like that, now you'll have to fix it.

[BassCliff]

Hi Mr. cutlass79500,

I've collected some information about carb configuration and bench syncing.

Carb Specs-Float Height-Jetting

Carb Sync Notes


Best of luck to you.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

[Steve]

Sorry, but here is yet another vote for carb removal and bench sync.

Also need to make sure you are turning the right screws. The three carb sync screws have locknuts and are between the carbs.
Others have turned the idle mixture screws, thinking they were the sync adjuster screws.

By the way, I have seen some bench sync jobs that were remarkably close, requiring very little adjustment when doing the vacuum sync. Oh, and I don't think you will really be able to even get close syncing "by ear". Once you get the vacuum gauges hooked up, you can tweak one of the sync screws, see the vacuum change dramatically, and probably won't hear the faintest difference in the sound of the engine.

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[cutlass79500]

i know you guys are right

i know you guys are right. but its not the answer i wanted to hear lol . i bench synced them before installing them last time the main reason i was playing with the ajustments is it has a slight miss at idle you can hear the cyl slightly popping in the exhaust . my first thought was a clogged piolet jet but if it was would not be idling at all. cant find any air leaks new orings boots . im afraid of 1 thing #4 piolet i cant get it out screw head is messed up i thought i had it cleaned but to me a plugged jet is either plugged or not shouldnt cause a slight miss at idle

[Steve]

If you couldn't get a jet out, you really have no way of telling what's behind it. If you dipped the carbs, the o-ring in that location might have partially dissolved, blocking the passage. Unless and until you get that screw out to check, you will only keep guessing what your problem is.

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[cutlass79500]

passage isnt blocked carbs been soaked got a small piece of wire thru it i think spray carb cleaner in it drains out blow air thru it when i replaced the orings in the air screws. if they come off again will work it more with a wire its a really small hole in the inside end of it .will use a temp guage on the exhaust to determine for sure

[Steve]

... im afraid of 1 thing #4 piolet i cant get it out screw head is messed up i thought i had it cleaned ...

Did you get the screw out? Unless you get the screw out, you will not know whether the o-ring around it is still intact. Sure, it might pass some carb cleaner spray and some compressed air, but what happens when it is surrounded by gas in a low-pressure, low-volume situation?

I repeat for emphasis ... unless you get the screw out, you won't know for sure.

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[chef1366]

Get that pilot jet out with an easy out.
You got all the idle mixture screws out and replaced the o-rings, right?
Check and see if a clamp from the intake boots aren't jammed in the throttle linkage preventing it from closing causing the idle to hang.

[cutlass79500]

Get that pilot jet out with an easy out.
You got all the idle mixture screws out and replaced the o-rings, right?
Check and see if a clamp from the intake boots aren't jammed in the throttle linkage preventing it from closing causing the idle to hang.

hey chef clamps are clear going to pull the carbs and see what i can do about the jet after lunch. all orings have been replaced mixture screws are 3 turns out will let you know how it turns out

[bwringer]

Once the tank's off, it takes maybe 5 minutes to pull the airbox and carbs out of a shaftie. Ain't no big thang.

Are you working on the 850L in your sig, or some other bike?

[cutlass79500]

Update

pulled the carbs bench synced them #4 there was a small peice of rubber in the jet i believe it came from the plug when i put it back in i think it shaved it a little . made a jet tool peice of mechanics wire on 1 side and a peice of wire of my wire wheel on the other side a dab of jb weld works great.
i guess none of the boots had time to shrink less then 2 hrs off on set and ready to ride runs great . never had to pull the jet out of #1 wich is a good thing .
next thing is i need to pull the tach apart the grease hardened in it doesnt6 respond properly cable ans all is fine takes a few min to return to 0 after you shut it off lol told ya it runs good thanks guys dave