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    'bout ready to part this thing out!

    SYMPTOM- starts up fine, idles fine. Accelerates to ~2500-3500 RPM, then craps out, in every gear.

    I am having what I believe are carb issues. I have checked ALL the carb threads-- NO LUCK. I've rebuilt the carbs, increasing the jet sizes (w/help from Z Ent.) due to altitude (1 mile). Pilot air screws out to 3.5 turns (from 2). Floats are at 22.4mm +/- 1mm. Carbs balanced.

    'Only other significant change is the dyna 2000- installed per instructions.

    HELP!

    #2
    Uhmmm which bike? Pipe and Pods?

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      #3
      Altitude requires leaner jetting, not richer.
      Ed

      To measure is to know.

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        #4
        you dont want any over 2.5 turns ,that means it needs jetted,and a good filter, i would start there, check the jet needles for looseness
        it sounds like a fuel starvation issue, what do the plugs look like

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          #5
          Are you running stock coils with the rich condition you've created by jetting for lower elevations?
          1983 GS 1100E w/ 1230 kit, .340 lift Web Cams, Ape heavy duty valve springs, 83 1100 head with 1.5mm oversized SS intake valves, 1150 crank, Vance and Hines 1150 SuperHub, Star Racing high volume oil pump gears, 36mm carebs Dynojet stage 3 jet kit, Posplayr's SSPB, Progressive rear shocks and fork springs, Dyna 2000, Dynatek green coils and Vance & Hines 4-1 exhaust.
          1985 GS1150ES stock with 85 Red E bodywork.

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            #6
            Originally posted by cyclefvr2 View Post
            you dont want any over 2.5 turns ,that means it needs jetted,and a good filter, i would start there, check the jet needles for looseness
            it sounds like a fuel starvation issue, what do the plugs look like

            Originally posted by chef1366 View Post
            Are you running stock coils with the rich condition you've created by jetting for lower elevations?
            The 1980 GS750E has coils by Dyna, with pods and a 4 to 1 pipe. The way the bike pulls up to ~3k and sounds when it craps out feels/sounds like a fuel starvation issue. Last I checked the plugs, they looked a little dark, but not carboned up or wet.

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              #7
              Originally posted by jlvdo View Post
              The 1980 GS750E has coils by Dyna, with pods and a 4 to 1 pipe. The way the bike pulls up to ~3k and sounds when it craps out feels/sounds like a fuel starvation issue. Last I checked the plugs, they looked a little dark, but not carboned up or wet.
              Why did you jet it by hand?? Its a effort in futility honestly. I tried and tried and tried on my 1100ES, and it was simply maddening. Get a Dynojet kit, install it, and be done! No guess work, no playing around with jet sizes, no fighting with the bike.

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                #8
                Originally posted by TheCafeKid View Post
                Why did you jet it by hand?? Its a effort in futility honestly. I tried and tried and tried on my 1100ES, and it was simply maddening. Get a Dynojet kit, install it, and be done! No guess work, no playing around with jet sizes, no fighting with the bike.
                The definite answer.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by reddirtrider View Post
                  The definite answer.
                  You and Josh assume too much

                  He may just have air leaks

                  So, the question is, did it run okay before?

                  Did you just add the 4-1 and pods?
                  1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                  1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                  1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                  1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                  1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                  1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                  2007 DRz 400S
                  1999 ATK 490ES
                  1994 DR 350SES

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Big T View Post
                    You and Josh assume too much

                    He may just have air leaks

                    So, the question is, did it run okay before?

                    Did you just add the 4-1 and pods?
                    Im not assuming ANYTHING...i am just going on what he just told us. He tried to jet CV carbs for the street, by hand, with pods and a pipe. Its a waste of time, it will never be right, and it will only continue to frustrate him. The needle MUST be adjustable, or it simply is going to fall on its face once it gets into it..

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                      #11
                      But you're assuming he just added the pipes and pods, which he doesn't tell us.

                      It may have run fine before, we don't know.

                      So, JLVDO, more history!

                      Did you just add this pipe and pods? (If you did TCK is spot on)

                      Was it set up with the pipe and pods before and ran okay, but now you're trying to compensate for problems you're experiencing?
                      1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                      1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                      1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                      1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                      1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                      1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                      2007 DRz 400S
                      1999 ATK 490ES
                      1994 DR 350SES

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Big T View Post
                        But you're assuming he just added the pipes and pods, which he doesn't tell us.

                        It may have run fine before, we don't know.

                        So, JLVDO, more history!

                        Did you just add this pipe and pods? (If you did TCK is spot on)

                        Was it set up with the pipe and pods before and ran okay, but now you're trying to compensate for problems you're experiencing?
                        Sorry man, didnt mean to come off as jumping you, just I know that he just recently got this bike back together, and the pods and pipe are somewhat of an experiment. I also know, that for whatever reason, as amazingly knowlegeable as he is, Jeff at Z1 is for some reason against installing jet kits, so in talking to him, Jeff has probably told him which mains and what not to go with. While he is probably VERY right in that respect, the fact remains that the stock needles, unless shimmed (and that is a PITA, takes alot of experimentation and yadda yadda) will simply not do the job with the combo of the pods and pipe. They are too slow to feed the fuel thru the midrange (tapered too long) and the bike will run up to about 4 grand WITHOUT SLIDES, after that, its going to trip like Dick VanDyke over the automan.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by TheCafeKid View Post
                          Sorry man, didnt mean to come off as jumping you

                          Same here, but you have the secret inside knowledge that was not divulged in the post


                          And, don't you have a job, you're posting every few minutes here!!
                          1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                          1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                          1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                          1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                          1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                          1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                          2007 DRz 400S
                          1999 ATK 490ES
                          1994 DR 350SES

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Big T View Post
                            Same here, but you have the secret inside knowledge that was not divulged in the post


                            And, don't you have a job, you're posting every few minutes here!!
                            I DO! I just work nights, and Im off today Just taking a break before heading back out to the shop, and the store, and cleaning...etc etc.

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                              #15


                              No way i'd part that bike out. I'd go to my grave with a carb in one hand and a screwdriver in the other if thats what it took.

                              Thats a good looking bike.

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