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    Oh, Crap

    Ok, this may end up being a long post, hopefully I'll be able to be descriptive enought that one of the GS Geniuses will be able to help out.

    First some history after I got the bike last fall and started maintenance on it I noticed a fuel filter in place, this is good. However because of the filter the fuel line is kinked about an inch or two after the filter. 8O I ran the bike like this all last fall with the petcock in the PRI position. (I believe the kink saved me from gas overflowing the carbs etc) Anyway, this spring I switched the petcock over to the ON position to start utilizing it propperly. Been running all year like this with only one problem. I was running full throttle (I mean full.. :twisted: ) and the bike died like it ran out of gas. I re-primed the carbs, started back up and was back on my way. (Figured it was the Guy upstairs way of tellin me to slow it down). Been running pretty much fine ever since, even last saturday when I put 100+miles on it heading down to Gettysburg.

    Now to the present. Tuesday evening I took it out for a quick spin (about 30 min) and filled up close to the end of the ride so I wouldn't have to stop on the way to work yesterday morning. Ran fine for that, and for the ride to work yesterday. However after leaving work yesterday I was heading to see my girlfriend and noticed that I seemed to have a little bit of a Bog down on accelleration. So I keep going trying all sorts of things to try and trouble-shoot the problem so that I could give a good description here. So here are my symptoms.

    Boggs down when I twist the throttle quickly, then takes off like no tomorrow.
    When cruising along at about 60mph and 6000 rpms (actually it isn't just this speed, but this was what I cruised at most of the way home last night) it will do this little bit where it would: Surge-Bog-Surge-Bog.. and repeat this, the surge wasn't anything too powerful, just noticable that it would be doing it, especially when going uphill. This would happen without any adjustment to the throttle as well as under minor acceleration.
    After about an hour + of driving at an average of 6000 rpms she once again died acting like I ran out of gas. So, I pulled her over to the side of the road (this is at 10:50 pm with very little shoulder on the side of the road) let her sit for a little bit,{more on this in General discussion} and re-prime the carbs (I had filled the tank about 50 miles before and I can go for 90 before having to switch to RES). After priming I started her back up and finished the ride home (about 8 miles) with the petcock in the PRI position.
    Oh, one more thing, before I hit the highway I had a couple of stop signs and I'm certain that at at least one of those I had smelled gas, at least more powerful than has been usual before, which had made me think that perhaps I was runing either rich on one of the cylinders, or one wasn't firing.

    The following is my thoughts on the situation, let me know if there is something else I may be missing.

    At first I had thought that the night before I had gotten some bad gas, so when I filled up at the station near my girlfriends house I went up a grade in gas to help offset any bad gas I may have had in the tank.
    I will probably look first pull the plugs and read them. Then I will look into replacing the fuel line and making sure I can run it without any kinks in it. After that I am thinking perhaps the vaccume line may be partially clogged and thus not allowing sufficient fuel flow from the tank when on the ON position, so I may also replace that at the same time as the fuel line. If neither of those works I'm going to see if cleaning the Petcock will help.
    I'm hoping to avoid any carb work at this point in time as I am scheduling a re-build this winter to replace the transmission gears.

    #2
    I'm no genius by any means, but could it be that you have a dirty fuel filter? The symptoms you've mentioned sure sound like it to me.

    Cragar 8)

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      #3
      ok

      Originally posted by Cragar
      I'm no genius by any means, but could it be that you have a dirty fuel filter? The symptoms you've mentioned sure sound like it to me.

      Cragar 8)
      That thought had also crossed my mind, and I will probably replace the filter as well, seeing as it is a HUGE automotive type filter I may go with something smaller.

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        #4
        why not just cut the hose a bit shorter to the petcock so its not kinked?

        also, your tank/petcock has a screen on it, which does some filtering. my 78 came with an inline filter on it (someone put it on) and my 79, all original at the time, had no inline filter. you would probably be safe running without it.

        ~Adam

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          #5
          First, does your petcock have a vacuum diaphragm in it? Is the diaphragm in good condition, ie does the gas no flow when engine is off and if you suck on the vacuum side does fuel flow? If not change the diaphragm or petcock out. Secondly, electrics, the on off switch on your handlebar could there be a wire grounding out from time to time? If that happens the engine will momentarily die and once the ground is interupted will start back running again. This often causes a backfire when this happens. I am betting either the fuel line is kinked and fuel starvation happens when you are running higher rpms, dirty fuel filter, trash in the tank blocking the filter before the petcock or bad diaphragm.

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            #6
            Cragar wrote:
            I'm no genius by any means, but could it be that you have a dirty fuel filter? The symptoms you've mentioned sure sound like it to me.

            Cragar


            That thought had also crossed my mind, and I will probably replace the filter as well, seeing as it is a HUGE automotive type filter I may go with something smaller.
            Automotive filters with paper elements are designed to work with pressure, not gravity. This is one of your problems. You may have more, but at least get the correct filter.

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              #7
              [quote="Swanny"]
              Automotive filters with paper elements are designed to work with pressure, not gravity. This is one of your problems. You may have more, but at least get the correct filter.

              Just what exactly is a 'right' filter for gravity feed?? :twisted:

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                #8
                One of the clear filters with the mesh type replaceable element works well. Just tie it off so it doesn't vibrate and bang against hard parts.

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                  #9
                  Sort of like this?



                  Cragar 8)

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                    #10
                    That one's got a glass body, not sure if I'd want to take the risk of it breaking. Look for one of the clear plastic ones with a sintered metal filter element- I'm certain J.C. Whitney carries 'em for under $2 apiece.

                    Back to the original question, the off-idle stumble and surging are both classic symptoms of a lean mixture. In addition to the already-mentioned clogged fuel filter and/or kinked hose, is there any chance that the carbs are slightly gummed up?

                    Bill

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                      #11
                      Just what exactly is a 'right' filter for gravity feed??
                      I can't tell if you are serious or not.

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                        #12
                        The one Cragar provided the link to is what I'm using. Just route the fuel line so the filter is not near any hard parts and tie the fuel line to the frame so the filter doesn't move around and it will work fine. I've used mine for years.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Swanny
                          Just what exactly is a 'right' filter for gravity feed??
                          I can't tell if you are serious or not.
                          Serious as a heart attack...I have a paper filter on mine, used a metal scintered type on my 450 and never had problems with either one. This is why I had asked.. :twisted:

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                            #14
                            just go to any cycle dealer and ask for a inline fuel filter. they are like 3-4 bucks and more then likely they will be the clear plastic kind. that is the kind i am runing. i have it so that i have about a 2 inch piece of hose going to the filter from the tank, then another peice of hose running to the carbs. if you take your time and cut alittle bit of hose off at a time and use some new hose the hose will naturaly take shape and will not kink. if you need a photo let me know.

                            i am posing another question for the group would it help big red to remove his carb vent hoses, i know they recomend it for bikes wiht jet kits, will it help or hurt stock bikes?

                            ryan
                            78 GS1000 Yosh replica racer project
                            82 Kat 1000 Project
                            05 CRF450x
                            10 990 ADV-R The big dirt bike

                            P.S I don't check PM to often, email me if you need me.

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                              #15
                              Petcocks.........

                              My 1980 GS1000G has a gravity fed fuel supply......Do you notice you smell gas or are leaking gas when it's sitting still???? If so your diaphragm in the petcock could definitly be a problem.....Also check to make sure you don't have a gas smell in the oil, crankcase, this is also an overfeed (not good)......I rebuilt my petcock over a year ago and I haven't had the problem since......Mine also has tubes coming out in between the carbs, these I must keep faced down or it overfeeds the gas into the crankcase (I do not have the stock air box, I have KNN's on it)..... I think on the stock bikes you actually have hoses that run to these that must be connected, check your crankcase filter also......Gas in the crankcase is life threatning and must be dealt with immediatly.....Mine still runs boggy at 80 MPH about 5000RPM, I hate it......Good Luck :?

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