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    Battery question

    I charged up an old battery and put it in my 821100e. The battery would not take a full charge and was a bit under 12vdc. When I turned the key the dash lights went on and the starter sounds like it is not getting enough juice to turn it over. Battery brand Motorcross XTRA type YB14L-A2.

    So I bought an AGM Permaseal XTA14AHL-BS from a Battery plus store. It read 12.68 vdc from the store. When installed and the key is turned I get no dash lights and no starter noise. A volt meter across the battery terminals shows near 0 volts when the ignition is turned on.

    If I put the old battery in I get dash lights and starter noise but the voltage across the battery drops to 8-9 volts when the ignition is on.

    I swapped them back and forth 3 or 4 times and get the same results.

    Bad new battery?

    It came up as a compatible type on the battery plus site.

    http://www.batteriesplus.com/product...GS1100E/1.aspx
    1982 GS1000S Katana
    1982 GS1100E

    #2
    I'd charge it and then pass judgement. Sounds strange that it shipped with no charge but stranger things have happened.
    Ed

    To measure is to know.

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      #3
      Originally posted by pano View Post
      I charged up an old battery and put it in my 821100e. The battery would not take a full charge and was a bit under 12vdc. When I turned the key the dash lights went on and the starter sounds like it is not getting enough juice to turn it over. Battery brand Motorcross XTRA type YB14L-A2.

      So I bought an AGM Permaseal XTA14AHL-BS from a Battery plus store. It read 12.68 vdc from the store. When installed and the key is turned I get no dash lights and no starter noise. A volt meter across the battery terminals shows near 0 volts when the ignition is turned on.

      If I put the old battery in I get dash lights and starter noise but the voltage across the battery drops to 8-9 volts when the ignition is on.

      I swapped them back and forth 3 or 4 times and get the same results.

      Bad new battery?

      It came up as a compatible type on the battery plus site.

      http://www.batteriesplus.com/product...GS1100E/1.aspx

      Did you fill it with acid and put it on a charge for a few hours?

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        #4
        Originally posted by chrisbertaut View Post
        Did you fill it with acid and put it on a charge for a few hours?
        It's a AGM sealed battery so you don't add acid, could use a charge though.
        Ed

        To measure is to know.

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          #5
          The new one measured in at 12.68 vdc before I installed it. After all the swap outs it is down to about 10.68 vdc now.

          I haven't seen a behavoir like that before. Maybe I will put it in another bike tomorrow and see what it does.
          1982 GS1000S Katana
          1982 GS1100E

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            #6
            Originally posted by pano View Post
            The new one measured in at 12.68 vdc before I installed it. After all the swap outs it is down to about 10.68 vdc now.

            I haven't seen a behavoir like that before. Maybe I will put it in another bike tomorrow and see what it does.
            Is there a reason you don't want to charge it?
            Ed

            To measure is to know.

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              #7
              I re-read my original post and wanted to clarify.

              The new battery would read full voltage with the key in the off position. It would drop to near 0 volts when the key was moved to the on position.

              The old battery drops to about 8 or 9 volts when the key is turned on.
              1982 GS1000S Katana
              1982 GS1100E

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                #8
                I will throw the battery tender on the new battery overnight.
                1982 GS1000S Katana
                1982 GS1100E

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                  #9
                  Sounds like the battery has a surface charge, that's why battery testers have a load cell so you can check how many amps the battery can produce. Checking voltage on an unloaded battery can be very misleading in terms of the information you get. Best to charge the battery over night at 1 amp and try again in the morning.
                  Ed

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                    #10
                    I have it charging now.

                    I will re-install it tomorrow and follow-up.

                    Thanks.
                    1982 GS1000S Katana
                    1982 GS1100E

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                      #11
                      Hi,

                      It's not unheard of to get an AGM battery DOA. A friend of mine recently had to bring back two batteries until he got a good one. The bike shop was very accommodating. Let's hope a good charge fixes you up.


                      Thank you for your indulgence,

                      BassCliff

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                        #12
                        Pano, check your code on top of the Battery. Steve posted this and I had one of the bad batteries and I suspect you do too. Mine also read decent voltage when resting, and different voltages with the key on. I took it in to the local store and had them load test it and it failed. You can read through the post to get the specifics but the code on top of the battery is C0902. Again, thanks to Steve for posting this I could have been chasing this issue with the assumption the battery was OK since it was less than a year old, AGM, and tested OK on voltage without load.

                        This forum contains old posts which may have information which may be useful. It is a closed forum in that you can not post here any longer. Please post your questions in the other technical forums.
                        82 GS850L - The Original http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/d...ePics067-1.jpg
                        81 GS1000L - Brown County Hooligan http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/d...ivePics071.jpg
                        83 GS1100L - Super Slab Machine http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/d...t=DCP_1887.jpg
                        06 KLR650 - "The Clown Bike" :eek: http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/d...nt=SERally.jpg
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                          #13
                          There are two types of AGM batteries available for our bikes. One type comes just like a car battery, charged and sealed. The other type (Yuasa MF comes to mind) arrives with an acid fill packaged seperately. The fill package is a premeasured set of tubes, one for each cell, so it takes all the guesswork out of filling. After you fill it, you charge it just like a regular wet cell. It is then sealed with a permanent strip that installs across the top fill holes.

                          I've had very good luck with the Yuasas, and not so good luck with the factory sealed types. My two Yuasa AGMs will both be starting their fourth riding season this spring, and hold charges above 12.5 volts after sitting for a month in my utility room. I just charge them up overnight once a month in the off-season, and every spring they've been good to go.

                          Rob at Cycle Recycle recommends the Yuasas as the only AGMs that he thinks are worth the extra money over a standard wet cell. That's how I got turned on to them. Bikebandit sells them:


                          as does this ebay seller:



                          Also, there is a guy on ebay selling what I believe to be the generic version (it looks identical to the Yuasa) for a bit less money:
                          GS450E GS650E GS700ES GS1000E GS1000G GS1100G GS1100E
                          KZ550A KZ700A GPZ750
                          CB400T CB900F
                          XJ750R

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by twr1776 View Post
                            Pano, check your code on top of the Battery. Steve posted this and I had one of the bad batteries and I suspect you do too. Mine also read decent voltage when resting, and different voltages with the key on. I took it in to the local store and had them load test it and it failed. You can read through the post to get the specifics but the code on top of the battery is C0902. Again, thanks to Steve for posting this I could have been chasing this issue with the assumption the battery was OK since it was less than a year old, AGM, and tested OK on voltage without load.

                            http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...ht=XTA14AHL-BS
                            Checked the battery and sue enough it is C0902.

                            They are closed today and hopefully open tomorrow. Screws up my plans a bit, but tomorrows another day.

                            Thanks for all the feedback

                            Pano
                            1982 GS1000S Katana
                            1982 GS1100E

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                              #15
                              Apparently they used some re-cycled lead plates in that battery model from what Steve was able to find out. My store was not that informed but did give me full credit on the 9 month old battery. I ended up getting the next model up for another $ 15. That model used all brand new materials and has a two year warranty. I could have asked for full credit and gone elsewhere but was treated fairly by the local store even though I bought it online they did the swap there with no hassle. I was told the actual manufacturer is Deka on this particular battery line.
                              82 GS850L - The Original http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/d...ePics067-1.jpg
                              81 GS1000L - Brown County Hooligan http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/d...ivePics071.jpg
                              83 GS1100L - Super Slab Machine http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/d...t=DCP_1887.jpg
                              06 KLR650 - "The Clown Bike" :eek: http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/d...nt=SERally.jpg
                              AKA "Mr Awesome" ;)

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