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    ONLY TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yep, you heard it here first, folks!!

    I took of my header today, and only broke TWO BOLTS!!

    (insert four-lettered expletive here)

    Not like I wasn't expecting it - after the multiple threads about failed attempts at getting broken exhaust bolts out. I went nice and slowly, expecting to feel a bolt give if it were going to snap. But the thing that gets me is there was no indication at all. A little resistance starting out, as if it were coming out on its own - then it got very easy to turn, and then it was broken.

    I'm definitely going to take the head into a shop for removal - I'm not playing around with screw extractors. And I don't think that it's simply a matter of electro-chemical welding between the steel bolts and the aluminum head. If this were the case, I'd imagine that I'd have had to torque on the bolts to get them out, and the break would have come from applying too much force. But since there was virtually no resistance, I'd assume that the bolts failed because of the difference in heat dissipation between the exposed bolt head and the half that has been threaded into the aluminum head for 20 years, coupled with exposure to the elements - they both broke right at the head. In fact, several of the bolts looked as if they had been spot-welded at the first exposed thread, but non-exposed threads were fine, so I'd thow mechanical failure in there as a cause, too.

    The sad thing is that it's not something you can upgrade without first breaking a bolt or two - if your header is in good shape, why risk taking it off to replace the hardware? Bleah.

    On a lighter note, I did manage to rebuild the petcock rather successfully - aside from tweaking the spring clip that depresses the primer diaphragm. Got it sorted, though. And it was in great shape - no varnish, no sludge. Just a matter of greasing the switch o-ring, and it's alot smoother.

    Also got the Katana kill switch and throttle hooked up - had to use the factory GS harness plug and splice the new wires in place. The Katana plug is the same size and shape, but there's no ground pin inside. I used the Katana throttle cable, since it needs an additional clip to hold it in place that will not come off of the cable with the lugs on the ends. Adjusted the throttle sleeve length, and it's all working. Plus, the Katana master cylinder uses a plunger type brake light switch that won't wear out like the GS part (although the clutch switch is identical - go figure). The signal control and choke was a different story - the plug mates up exactly, but it needed an external ground wire. And I had to cut the end off of the choke cable, but had enough slack to crimp a new end on (lead fishing weight). I'll replace both with new cables when I tear it down this winter, but I'm just happy to have shiny new plastic bodied controls that won't pit or corrode like the stockers...

    Okay, enough with the words - time for a beer. I just have to wait and see if the JB-Weld gas tank patch cures right...

    -Q!

    #2
    why go through all the hassle of taking the head off?

    i broke off a bolt in each of my GS's...it happens. the exhaust bolts up fine with just one bolt. try using pentrant soaked in next time, it helps a bit.

    ~Adam

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      #3
      Sorry to hear about the bolts Q!. :x
      This is the perfect time to tell everyone about re-torquing all the hardware on their bikes. Always loosen the bolt a little and then re-torque to get an accurate torque read. This may also stop the kind of thing Q! has run into. Loosening and re-torquing can interrupt the corrosion, etc, process. If you need to, clean up the threads and spray some protectant or zinc coating on them. Or replace if needed.
      Of course, if you have'nt touched certain bolts in a LONG time, you may expect to have breakage.
      And on the seventh day,after resting from all that he had done,God went for a ride on his GS!
      Upon seeing that it was good, he went out again on his ZX14! But just a little bit faster!

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        #4
        Thanks, Keith.

        Well, with 52K miles on it, I was planning on a performance rebuild anyways, maybe even a big-bore kit.

        I'll run the bike with the broken bolts this fall, but was planning on taking it down to the frame this winter - a bit of resto-mod work.

        I'm going to add a new pipe and pods, so I might as well rebuild the carbs when I take them off to rejet. Since I'll have the engine out of the frame, I might as well have the head ported and polished. Since I'll have the head off.... you get the picture.

        It's also started to slip a little under hard acceleration in 2nd - I don't think it's the clutch, since it only happens in second gear - and there are no other indications of bad plates. There is a noticeable rattle in neutral at idle, probably worn clutch springs or rivets in the basket (?), so might as well install a new clutch and crack open the tranny for a possible rebuild.

        Yeah, I'm that perfectionistic. I want to do some work to the harness, too - just not sure if I want to fab one from scratch. We'll see. In the meantime, it's just a matter of getting it back on the road for a few more months of riding...

        -Q!

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          #5
          And a quick question ('83 750E)

          There are three hoses coming from the gas tank. The large one, of course, is the fuel line to the carbeurators. The second coming from the petcock is for air intake when the petcock is switch to "prime", since it's an airtight tank. This leaves the third, which by process of elimination, is for air intake during normal operation (to prevent a vacuum from stopping the fuel flow) - I'm assuming that there is a diaphragm valve inside the tank along with the fuel level sender on that side.

          My question is - Why does the hose for this last air intake run all the way to the rear of the bike? I gues it's possible that the Suzuki engineers figured that a hose which ends concealed by the body work at the rear of the bike would be less likely to suck any pollutants into the gas tank? It's a prime location to suck up a bit of water on a rainy day, though. I think I'm going to re-route mine when I put the tank back on - maybe just under the gas tank through the wire stay tab that's welded underneath the tank, or possibly just cut it off near the breather box.

          Any thoughts?

          -Q!

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            #6
            Just a few thoughts.

            Head work (porting and polishing) is pretty expensive for the limited benefits on a mostly stock engine. If you do the work yourself then the expensive part goes away, but you don't get the benefit of experienced hands.

            If it's slipping in second - the only thing it can be is your clutch. Measure the clutch spring height - I bet they are weak. Replace with stock units - they are pretty cheap.

            Rattle in neutral - probably clutch hub springs (I think that is what you meant when you said clutch springs). You can have a heavy duty clutch hub backing plate installed (rivots welded in place) for about $200. This includes the price of the plate.

            If you are going so far as to crack the cases for the tranny. There is lots of work for you to do in there. Depends on your pocket book and what you want out of her.

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              #7
              Hi Q!. If your 3rd hose you mentioned is similar to my '79 GS1000E design, it's a spill line for the fuel gauge unit. If the rubber gasket should fail, the fuel will spill out the line and not on the motor.
              The second line you mentioned is the vacuum for the petcock. The vacuum pulls on the diaphragm and allows the fuel to flow. When you go to prime you are by-passing the diaphragm. Your tank is not air tight, it's vented at the cap. Fuel would not flow well in an unvented tank.
              And on the seventh day,after resting from all that he had done,God went for a ride on his GS!
              Upon seeing that it was good, he went out again on his ZX14! But just a little bit faster!

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                #8
                Thanks for all the advice, guys.


                Got her put back together this morning, and everything seems to be going well. The JB Weld patch on the tank doesn't seem to leak after 18 hours of curing - time will tell. I got the header put back on with only one bolt in each of two pipes - this'll hold me until I take her apart this winter. Actually had one helluva exhaust leak - turned out that the #2 pipe didn't seat right. 26 bucks for stainless hardware and a can of anti-seize compound (had to go to three different shops to find stainless metric hardware). Took her for a spin, and she seems happy to be rolling again.

                Still haven't gotten new tires yet - but I've been working more than riding lately, so I'm not too worried about it. I'll probably grab a cheap Avon to get me through the next few months...

                This was my first experience using JB Weld - I used brake fluid to soften up the paint, then slowly scraped a quarter-sized circle down to the metal (mind you, the hole was only 1/16" in diameter). I cleaned everything up with turpentine, mixed the JB Weld and spread it on liberally with a plastic knife. It was thin enough that it spread itself out evenly before it hardened - I surprised myself with how well it turned out - very smooth patch, no smear marks or lumps.

                Which leads to my question - has anyone used JB Weld as a body filler? I've had my experiences with Bondo - some good, some bad. Bondo doesn't harden as much as JB Weld, though - it's pretty easy to gouge if you hit it just right. But for small dings, I'm thinking that JB Weld might be a better material - it's sandable and shapable, and you can even tap it out for screws. I might give it a try to fix a couple of dings on my tank....

                -Q!

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