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    Carb experimentation..comments?

    OK all, I;ll try to keep this as short as I can. :-) (79 GS750EN)
    Been experimenting with carb settings. It seems almost everyone
    (self included) has at times had setups that made the bike hard to start, or required very long warm up times before the engine would accept throttle. There have been complaints of flat spots in the transition from idle to higher throttle settings. Other problems have been poor gas milage, fouled plugs, lean plugs, popping in the exhaust, preignition, overheating and the engine sounding like Buuuuuu when throttle is quickly turned in midrange. None of the books I have give a base setting for the pilot screw, and none of my books give a vacum value for the rpm they say the carbs should be balanced at.
    When I rebuilt my carbs, the paint/seal on the pilot screw was unbroken. The pilot screws were set at 7/8th's of a turn out.
    I have used many different combinations of settings and vacum that resulted in a smooth running engine, but I have not found settings that result in everything being perfect at the same time.
    The objective is easy starting with minimal need of choke, minimal warm up time before the engine will accept throttle, smooth transitions throughout the throttle range, good power output throughout, clean burning plugs, reasonable gas milage, and a cool running engine. The jetting, mufflers/pipes and airbox are stock. Presently, I am using 1 turn out on the pilot screw, 1 3/8 turn on the air screw and am drawing 23 inches of vacum at 2000 rpm. with these settings, starting is instant with half choke/enrichener, warm up is about two minutes, throttle transition is very good, power is excellent throughout the throttle range with no flat spots. Bad news is plugs burn very dark (I know ...too rich) and gas milage is down from 50 to 46 mpg.
    It would be helpful to know what everyone else is using for mixture and vacum settings and what characteristics those sett
    ings result in. thanks.... :-)

    Earl
    Komorebi-The light filtering through the trees.

    I would rather sit on a pumpkin and have it all to myself than be crowded on a velvet cushion. H.D.T.

    #2
    Earl since your on a 750 may I assume that your carbs are Kuni's BS 32 SS?

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      #3
      Jay, all 750's up to and including 1979 have Mikuni VM26SS carbs
      (thats what mine are) From 1980 and afterwards the carbs were BS32SS (CV'S).

      Earl


      Originally posted by Jay B
      Earl since your on a 750 may I assume that your carbs are Kuni's BS 32 SS?
      Komorebi-The light filtering through the trees.

      I would rather sit on a pumpkin and have it all to myself than be crowded on a velvet cushion. H.D.T.

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        #4
        Just an add on here Jay. while we're at it, why dont we discuss the BS 32's also? There are probably more people with those than with mine since 32's are also used on 850's. If everyone would state what carb they have at the top of their reply, confusion should be kept to a minimum. :-) :-)

        Earl

        Originally posted by Jay B
        Earl since your on a 750 may I assume that your carbs are Kuni's BS 32 SS?
        Komorebi-The light filtering through the trees.

        I would rather sit on a pumpkin and have it all to myself than be crowded on a velvet cushion. H.D.T.

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          #5
          All these symptoms combined sure seem to point to an intake leak.

          Read this tirade of mine:



          If the intake tube (boot) O-rings haven't been changed in a few years, you're setting yourself up for some serious hair-pulling, since these introduce about a zillion variables into the mix. It's like trying to hit a moving target if there's an intake leak.
          and God said, "Let there be air compressors!"
          __________________________________________________ ______________________
          2009 Suzuki DL650 V-Strom, 2004 HondaPotamus sigpic Git'cha O-ring Kits Here!

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            #6
            Earl:

            If you are aiming at constant peak performance, the best you can do is going to be a compromise, unless you re-set the carbs with every weather change.

            I just got a reminder of that yesterday when I opened it up on an on-ramp. The bike fairly flew as compared to what it had been doing. Same brand of gas, same carb settings, but air temperature was down more than 20 degrees.
            Bertrand Russell: 'Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education.'

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              #7
              Tuning Mikuni Carb VM & TM URL

              I own a 1978 GS750E with some tempermental idle and off-idle transition troubles. I'm in the process to try and correct. Possibly this URL I located on Tuning Mikuni Carb VM & TM might be of use to the list.

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                #8
                Well Ron, the temps, humidity and elevation in south FL are pretty much the same all the time. :-) :-) Yeah, I want the best performance I can get while still retaining stock components. I'm looking for an overall smooth performance envelope, and trying to avoid a set up that goes like H...., but will only do so in a narrow range, or makes the engine fussy.

                Earl

                Originally posted by argonsagas
                Earl:

                If you are aiming at constant peak performance, the best you can do is going to be a compromise, unless you re-set the carbs with every weather change.

                I just got a reminder of that yesterday when I opened it up on an on-ramp. The bike fairly flew as compared to what it had been doing. Same brand of gas, same carb settings, but air temperature was down more than 20 degrees.
                Komorebi-The light filtering through the trees.

                I would rather sit on a pumpkin and have it all to myself than be crowded on a velvet cushion. H.D.T.

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                  #9
                  carb adjustment

                  Earl

                  Do you have identical adjustments for all carbs? I thought the inside cylinders would run hotter and require different (richer?) settings from the outside cylinders. It would be interesting to hear what you found.

                  Patrick

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                    #10
                    Good point. I have my 2 and 3 set just a little richer than 1 and 4.

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                      #11
                      Re: carb adjustment

                      I am running all four cylinders with the same pilot, air screw, and vacum settings. You are correct if the mixtures are in the normal to lean range, but my settings are on the rich side, so a slight leaning on 2 and 3 is not noticable on the plug reading. If it was, I too would richen 2 and 3. With the carbs set to normal lean mixtures, my gas milage is 50=51 mpg.
                      Running the bike today for 150 miles, my gas milage is down to 46 mpg, but there is a big time increase in power. :-) :-) Both of those mpg's are for 65-70 mph cruising speeds.

                      Earl


                      Originally posted by patrikobrien
                      Earl

                      Do you have identical adjustments for all carbs? I thought the inside cylinders would run hotter and require different (richer?) settings from the outside cylinders. It would be interesting to hear what you found.

                      Patrick
                      Komorebi-The light filtering through the trees.

                      I would rather sit on a pumpkin and have it all to myself than be crowded on a velvet cushion. H.D.T.

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                        #12
                        Hmmmmm....more convesion problems....filled up today....297km....17 litres.....spin tires while getting bike in garage due to VERY heavy rain (forecast said NO RAIN FOR FIVE DAYS : :x ) translate into Quebecois, as required by law, then into real French, then into English...looks like about 38 MPG/US gallon at average speed of....

                        .back to calculation....
                        200 / distance / include city/ speedometer error/ temperature / SOB in hot MB....oops! ...variables lost...gotta stop....

                        Now...let's see: compare above net loss with .....65 - 70mph /US...about 105/110kph....divide by 2 cups of whole wheat flour, with half UK pint of stale beer, dash of yeast...change filter at 5000km.....

                        NAAAAAA . Can't do it. Whole thing is ill-bread. Numbers do not match with reality of REAL motorcycle driver.

                        Earl...stop driving so bloody slow!!!
                        Bertrand Russell: 'Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education.'

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                          #13
                          Ron,
                          Its hard for him to go any faster and safely jump gators.

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                            #14
                            Slow" slow, slow....:-) I was getting numbers for milage comparisons, so pretty much needed to keep a steady speed. Besides, patrol cars are rather plentiful. :-) I did come up on one pick up truck pulling a four stall horse trailer that was going about 50 mph. Once I had a clear lane to pass in, just for fun, I bumped down to 4th, twisted the throttle and when I went by his front bumper, the speedo was past 90. I would guess this took all of two seconds. :-)

                            Earl

                            [quote="argonsagas"
                            Earl...stop driving so bloody slow!!![/quote]
                            Komorebi-The light filtering through the trees.

                            I would rather sit on a pumpkin and have it all to myself than be crowded on a velvet cushion. H.D.T.

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                              #15
                              carburetor adjustment

                              Earl

                              Thanks for the clarification. As I am still learning a lot here every day, I wanted to check if my understanding of what you were doing was right.

                              I have averaged about 40 mpg on my 1100E at 60 mph (I should have given you this in litres and imperial gallons and kilometers). I think I saw close to 50 mpg when I bought it and had to keep the speed down initially.

                              Of course, I didn't really buy the bike for fuel efficiency but it is nice to run the bike as well as it can run.


                              Patrick

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