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kz · 02-06-2005, 04:36 PM

Re: Battery help

Originally posted by first timer

On a side note can you mount gel (sealed) batteries on their sides this maybe another road i could take.

thanks for any help guys

-ryan

WestCo have sealed AGM batterys to some of our bikes, I use one of them myself.

It is possible to mount them in varios position, but upside down is not recommended.

http://www.westcobattery.com/index.html

**Anonymous** · 02-06-2005, 05:02 PM

Battery

I would not change to the gsxr 600 battery cause you are cutting your amps to much, cutting your reserve capcity I don't think will hurt you, you still have to run all the electrics, and on short hops when fired up cold you may still have a problem with recharging the battery to a full state, there are batterys that are smaller dimensional sized with the same capacitys ,you may go to yusa's web site and others to do the research, dont forget that the longer you make that positive cable, the more amps your going to need to drive the starter

**KEITH KRAUSE** · 02-07-2005, 03:02 AM

Why do you want to put the battery down there? Too many negatives in my opinion.
It would run hotter because of the closeness to the pipe, it's only plastic...it may be in the airstream somewhat, but the engine heat could add to the heat problem...you would have to rubber mount it and it still may vibrate more down there...small rocks could fly up and hit it...I have to wonder what it would look like cosmetically...the longer positive cable as pointed out would not help things...and I wouldn't use a weaker cranking battery on the bike. There may be more technical reasons to keep the stock battery qualities too.

**first timer** · 02-07-2005, 02:28 PM

Kieth Kieth Kieth, you are thinking to practical

i know suszuki had good reason to put the battery where they did. but i am not suszuki and am trying to make my self a yosh/wes cooley race replica. a key astectic of mine is i need that space where the battery and electronics go to be completly open. i am trying to maintain a horizontal line that is created by doing so.

i already have the electronics wire up all nice and neat and out of view now it's time for the battery as well, since i am not going to be running total loss system.

i am going to hopfully mount the battery to where the centerstand use to be i am currently working on a battery box made outa of some angle iron, and if i need to i can cover the battery box in some aluminum to protect it.

the posotive cable i am useing will strech from where it is now to where i need it to go and is the same lenght wire that was on the bike before i started messing with things and that worked then.

i have been thinking about useing a dry cell battery or gel battery that is designed for bad condtions but i am at a bit of a loss since i don't really know what i should be looking for and what all the numbers like

12 Volt
14 Ah @ 10hr rate
190 CCA

mean and what range of Ah and CCA I should be looking in.

-ryan

**Sandy** · 02-07-2005, 06:59 PM

If you're thinking of using a gel battery there is no reason why you couldn't use two 6V- 7 amp batteries connected together in series ( + to -). That way you might have more options about where to hide them. Just a thought.

**first timer** · 02-08-2005, 01:20 AM

alright guys i found this so far i am goign to keep looking but what do you think of this so far.

550180 - YTZ10S Replacement Battery
$89.99
YTZ10S, Factory Activated, Maintenance Free ? 12 Volt - Motorcycle - ATV Battery, L 6, W 3.4375, H 3.6875(in) - Weight 7 (lbs), Regular Charge Current 0.9 (amps), 190 CCA

do battery brand matter, i found these on ebay for half the price with the same specs

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4525950739&category=35594

-ryan

**argonsagas** · 02-08-2005, 10:10 AM

Cannot disregard Keith's advice, it is right on.

You may change the appearance, but you still have a motorcycle, and with this suggested very-low mount position, damage, perhaps destruction, is only one small 80 mph rock away.

And you MUST shield it from the heat.

**80gs1000e** · 02-08-2005, 08:53 PM

What about wrapping it with Abestos or a safe alternative? Fiberglass? Header wrap?

**KEITH KRAUSE** · 02-09-2005, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by first timer

i have been thinking about useing a dry cell battery or gel battery that is designed for bad condtions but i am at a bit of a loss since i don't really know what i should be looking for and what all the numbers like

12 Volt
14 Ah @ 10hr rate
190 CCA

mean and what range of Ah and CCA I should be looking in.

first timer, first timer, first timer. Why do you have to ask such hard questions? :?

? I have to admit, as many times as I've seen those numbers, I've never bothered to learn what they mean technically.
My Suzuki factory manual says: "This battery has a capacity of 14 ampere-hours on a 10-hour rating basis". The cold cranking amps is how much amperage the battery is capable of supplying for cold starts. The higher the number, the better. I think batteries with higher cca last longer too.
At least I understand now why you want to re-locate the battery. Maybe if you made another topic asking about battery terminology, we'd all learn something. Anyway, good luck with it!

**AOD** · 02-09-2005, 09:49 AM

Doesn't the side cover cover the battery from view?

**KEITH KRAUSE** · 02-09-2005, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by AOD

Doesn't the side cover cover the battery from view?

The Wes Cooley model I saw didn't have any side panels.

**first timer** · 03-15-2005, 01:00 PM

hey guys just wanted to post a update, i got a YTZ10S Replacement Battery (YTZ10S, Factory Activated, Maintenance Free ? 12 Volt - Motorcycle - ATV Battery, L 6, W 3.4375, H 3.6875(in) - Weight 7 (lbs), Regular Charge Current 0.9 (amps), 190 CCA ) found one for 50 bucks i hooked it up and it spins the motor no problem, i'll see how it works while the bike runs, it should be ok as long as i am not just siting there with the lights on and the bike not running.

the the new battery box is installed as well and everything seems to have worked out well. not much room for errors but i was able to get everything to play nice. i'll see about some pics in the future.

-ryan

**AOD** · 03-15-2005, 01:26 PM

yaah...pics would be cool. I'm curious to see how it mounted down there.

**first timer** · 11-28-2006, 11:01 PM

here's the update, the above mentioned battery ( ktz10s ) works very well, i have not had a cranking problem yet, but my bike only takes a couple turns to fire, it has not over heated and i made it through this season with about 2000 hard miles on it. it has not over heated from the exhaust being so close, haven't ridden it in the rain yet so we will see next year if water is a problem.

here are some pictures of it mounted, sorry they are not the best, my bike is kinda boxed in and covered at the moment.

the last 2 pics are of the first battery i used, same as the one now, that one didn't do very well because i used it for a lot of cranking, short idleing and tuning which it seemed up to the job for, but then i just left it in the bike over winter and i think that finished it off. They are only 50 bucks being a generic brand. i would have been i little more upset if it was a yusa or somthing. i'll keep an eye on this post and try to help.

i left the pics big so you can get detail.

http://www.grimp.net/ryan/bat/1.JPG

http://www.grimp.net/ryan/bat/2.JPG

http://www.grimp.net/ryan/bat/3.JPG

http://www.grimp.net/ryan/bat/4.JPG

http://www.grimp.net/ryan/bat/5.JPG

http://www.grimp.net/ryan/bat/6.JPG

http://www.grimp.net/ryan/bat/7.JPG

-ryan