Pods or Airbox? - 83 GS750ED

[Anonymous]

One concern I have is that the air box side also supports the carbs. With out that extra support, is there something you can do to help support the back side of the rack? Seems to me that all the bouncing and such while riding would want to make the carbs want to keep coming out of the intake boots?

You can run a zip tie or two from the cross pieces (the little pieces of angle stock holding the rack together) up to the frame rails to add some support for the weight. On my GSXR750 there was a convenient cross member between the frame rails directly above the carbs and I added a single tie in the center of the rack up to the cross member. It does make a noticeable difference to how much the carbs can move over bumps.


Mark

[Jethro]

My carbs are pretty solid when they are in there with the choke cable and throttle cable, also the carbs have a little wire that supports the clutch cable which is quite rigid. I'm never concerned that the carbs are gonna come loose, they are in there good and solid.

[Mastiff]

Thanks for the replies, guys. I'm going to go the Stage one route, and try Griffins method for getting them back in. If that doesn't work, I'll just open them back up, put in the Stage three bits, and go to pods.
Griffin, I haven't heard about the Gixxer exhaust mod. I just ran a search and came up with the early Gixxer pipes will fit but I'd have to lose the centerstand. Is this what you mean? Thanks.

[QuaiChangKane]

Here's one for you - you can't remove the ^$&# airbox without dropping the engine.

Nice, eh? I tried - pulled my carbs to clean them, and wanted to pull the airbox to wash it out. Couldn't get it out, as it's longer than the space between the frame and the engine. You'd have to cut the box in half to get it out, so it's either 100% for pods, or 100% airbox. Cut the box or drop the engine - they both have their downsides.


Unless, of course, you find a way to remove the airbox without doing either. In which case, tell me and I'll FedEx you a cold beer.


The carbs did go back in eventually - but it wasn't pleasant....



Good luck,

-Q!

[QuaiChangKane]

Thanks for the replies, guys. I'm going to go the Stage one route, and try Griffins method for getting them back in. If that doesn't work, I'll just open them back up, put in the Stage three bits, and go to pods.
Griffin, I haven't heard about the Gixxer exhaust mod. I just ran a search and came up with the early Gixxer pipes will fit but I'd have to lose the centerstand. Is this what you mean? Thanks.

There's a guy that put factory '91 GSXR1100 4-2 pipes on his 750ES. It looks great in the photos.

http://home.hetnet.nl/mailroot/181/leggev/gsx/exhaust/index.htm

BUT - I followed his lead and bought some pipes from a guy on eBay. Fortunatley, I got them cheap and he lived within driving distance.

Sure, the system "fits". The header sticks too far below the oil pan, reducing ground clearance by at least 1-1/2". The mufflers stick too far out to the sides (reducing maximum lean angle), the pipes weigh as much as a '72 Caddy, and they make the bike sound like a Singer sewing machine. I mean, I could hear the leaves changing color next to this thing.

Overall, a usable last-ditch solution. But there are still pipes to be found out there. The upside is that I have plans to use the header to have a custom twin high-mount system made..... Sometime.



-Q!

[Anonymous]

Anyone runs pods on an 450?

[beby99]

jayrbaker wrote

Anyone runs pods on an 450?

I would like to know also if there's any benefit to adding
pods to a twin...it sure would create great storage space
in the air box however I don't think they make a Stage kit
for my GR650...shoot I can't even find a carb rebuild kit.

[Anonymous]

"I've heard that rain and a bike with pods don't mix......"

That's just an excuse used by fairweather wimps!

Ive personally decided to go back to the OEM airbox..

Ive used K&N pods, and even throw away pods and have experienced rich running in moderate rain. The cause is that the moisture coats the outside of the pods, causing them to become blocked to the air, so its like running with the choke on!

Speaking from years of experience with pods on bikes, and from my last 12mths and 25000km on my GS750B It really doesnt do the engine much good!

just my 2 aussie clams worth!

[Anonymous]

jayrbaker wrote

Anyone runs pods on an 450?

I would like to know also if there's any benefit to adding
pods to a twin...it sure would create great storage space
in the air box however I don't think they make a Stage kit
for my GR650...shoot I can't even find a carb rebuild kit.

I have found some K&N pods for my 450. The are universal fit, going to buy them as soon as I can afford it and have found stage kits also. Hopefully by the end of this month I can buy what I need. As soon as I do it and test it I will let y'all know how it works on the smaller twins. I would love to have that storage space where the "bulky" air box is.

[dig dug mx6]

Thanks for the replies, guys. I'm going to go the Stage one route, and try Griffins method for getting them back in. If that doesn't work, I'll just open them back up, put in the Stage three bits, and go to pods.
Griffin, I haven't heard about the Gixxer exhaust mod. I just ran a search and came up with the early Gixxer pipes will fit but I'd have to lose the centerstand. Is this what you mean? Thanks.

I have the stage one on my 700 with a drop in k&N and a jardine 4 to 1. I was lucky enough to locate a pipe at a local salvage yard. I had e-mailed them in reguards to another one on e-bay. They get told me they get old stock sometimes. It look liked new to me a few dings..

http://www.milwaukeecycle.com/ their site isn't the best but they may have what you need.

I can get my carbs out in about 30min and back in about 30min. I just use a quick grip clamp to pull the airbox as far back as possible and they go in pretty easy.

Good luck

[Clone]

I really dislike the intake blat through a pod 8O
I think the airbox is primarily there to stiffle noise, is this about right? :?
If more airflow is what everyone is after, what about mounting a higher flow filter in the box and maybe cutting a hole in the bottom?
Or, is the real disire to make removal of the carbs easier? :?

[Jethro]

I think the airbox is primarily there to stiffle noise, is this about right?
If more airflow is what everyone is after, what about mounting a higher flow filter in the box and maybe cutting a hole in the bottom?
Or, is the real disire to make removal of the carbs easier?

I think you are right about the noise. Pods are a lot louder. But an internal airbox stays cleaner as well. Suzuki probably didn't want to plan on the general population keeping thier external air filters clean, plus there is the rain issue.

I wouldn't go out of my way to use pods over an air box, but the bike I just got came with pods. It sure is nice to be able to pull the carbs that easily. Plus I have about 2 sq. ft. of underseat storage.

In a post last year, we debated the issue of the restriction of a stock airbox. I ended up measuring the two holes in the bottom of the airbox and what do you know, they are exactly the same size as the intake of my carbs. As there are only two cyls sucking air at a time, theroretically the stock airbox wouldn't be any more restrictive than pod filters, but I don't know. Maybe there is something I am not thinking about.

Keep the stock airbox as is. A quality fiber filter would probably give the same performance benefits as pods over a stock paper filter.

[oldschoolGS]

If you are going to keep the stock airbox I would not try cutting any holes into it. It is designed to flow air from the top- it will run like crap if you remove the intake scoop. I tried running the airbox like that and a K+N but could not get it right. I was never satisfied with the stock carbs regardless of jet kit or filter.

When I went to GSXR carbs, I went with pods. Did this for performance and tuneability. Went I set up the carbs the stage 3 jet kit was for the GSXR1100 so it took many tries to get the jetting right for my 750. There is no way I could have done it with the trouble of dealing with the airbox. I have run this setup since about 1988 with no problems. Rode it every day in New Orleans-it rains alot there-the only potential problem is if you leave the bike uncovered in the rain on the sidestand. The #4 pod filter will get soggy. I used to carry a ziploc bag to slip over it if needed.

It really depends on your level of performance- if you are basically stock then leave the airbox. If you want more performance, stock GSXR flatslides with pods are the way to go.

Good Luck, Ed
1983 GS750ED