misunderstanding, ripoff or am I just thick.

[lecroy]

..... Called the owner of the 1150 and gave him the choices. HE chose the used cams. Sighted the major budget over run on the complete build and he wanted to save money anywhere he could.

I advised him new cams were the way to go but he wanted the used ones. I ended up getting new G cams.

I don't recommend replacing used parts for used parts just so we are clear.

I can see where your coming from, but the customer is not always right. In this case, not so much a concern except you passed along bad info on the cams being a 1:1 and asked the customer to make a choice based on that. This is a problem.

I was thinking of a few cases on this site of guys getting just what they asked for, the APE crank welding comes to mind. I would rather go to a builder who would tell me flat out that I was full of sht and that they would not bid the job. They are the experts and I consider this part of what I am paying them for.

Lets see, I want an ultra reliable bike engine but make it out of 25 year old used parts so I can save some $$$, then warranty your work for 25,000 miles. Seems like your rep as a builder is on the line. The better the rep, the more risk in cutting corners. If the motor blows, next thing you know he is posting on GSR about the a crappy motor you built. To him he was getting some race motor with those G blah blah cams and couldn't understand why when he beat the **** out of it that it let go after the first 2000 miles. Then we all get to jump in the fun again. LOL

[katman]

This is the third occation I have eaten parts costs from this forum.

I guess That is one reason I posted. I was sent an 1100 crank, paid top dollar for it and it had 1150 rods, 20mm wrist pins. no good to me but according to the seller its buyer beware. I sold it and lost another 100 bucks.

As you live you learn.

[rotty]

right or wrong

I am a new member and i have to agree with Katman on this issue.

I just went through this same thing with 2 items i bought on trust and so called knowledge.I am out $150 on the 2 parts.I was told they would work and would fit.Well let me say they didn`t.This place is alot of help and we are all on here to help where we can.The difference between the GS Pages and a business is we are here to help and have trust.I really don`t see the big deal with asking for the refund and eating the cost.

If Katman would have been told by the seller (in my opinion they will work and so far so good) then if he went and bought them it is all on him.From what i am reading Katman didn`t get all the info b4 hand.He didn`t know he had to machine anything and things like that.Buyer Beware is not for this site.That is for Ebay or Craiglist.Just like the song from Billy Joel (A matter of trust).Opinions are a great thing we all have them.I don`t think this is the place for them when in need of help.We are all looking for the right answers not opinions.

[lalock]

blame

yes yes
as i see it there is alot of discussion on this subject
may i take up some of this blame?i am the owner of the
build.and as you can see very very very new to this site.
love all the talk.and not wanting to stir the pot too much
i have no opinion on who was right or who was wrong
looks to me everyone is quite civil in their responses
and in their opinions.this thread was just recenctly brought to my attention so i thought i would take a look
cool that all of you care

[TheCafeKid]

lalock, im sure you have a bike that whips the llamas ass if either of these gents had a hand in building it. I respect both of thier opinions and knowlege, and am quite glad that this was handled fairly civily. Welcome to the GSR! Now, lets see some pics of that keg-o-whoopass on two wheels! \\/

[katman]

lalock, im sure you have a bike that whips the llamas ass if either of these gents had a hand in building it. I respect both of thier opinions and knowlege, and am quite glad that this was handled fairly civily. Welcome to the GSR! Now, lets see some pics of that keg-o-whoopass on two wheels! \\/

There are a couple pics here:

http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?t=120515

[lalock]

sorry cafe no pics yet due to re teardown and to the fact
i like spending more money on ss stuff and paint because of damage incurred bringing baby to a show oh yeah more parts to powdercoat
good timing though snowed today
and im sure you know it is a never ending good thing i won the lotto in the near future

[TheCafeKid]

Thats ok Katman had that link for pics. WOW! Freakin GORGEOUS! Tremendous job there. And yeah, i know its never ending. I am just putting my 77 750 cafe back together, and already have plans for what im going to do when i tear her back down NEXT winter...lol

[Fahsmos]

Your not thick

I'm sorry but I can't sit back and be silent anymore, I too have been deceived by rapidray. On 9/25/07 I posted for a 85 1150 cylinder, rr replied on 9/30/07, after a few PM's I mailed him a check on 10/5/07 coast to coast for $125.00 for the cylinder. This check was cashed 10/11/07 the day it arrived. Now to make a very long story short after almost two months and many PM's and phone calls with absolutely no reply I finally left him a voice message saying that by his nonresponse I could only assume that I had been ripped and would expose him to others in hopes I would get his attention and he would finally return a call. Indeed this worked, he called and left me a very angry voicemail stating he had never ripped anyone in his life and that he had come home from church the night before I called and found the cylinder returned on his front porch. So I called him back immediately and he would not answer his phone once again. So I left him a voicemail going through the facts stating that I mailed him a check on 10/5 that was immediately cashed and had never received the cylinder and had sent many many PM's and left many many voice-mails on his phone and was totally ignored, and it was now 11/28 almost two months later and what would he expect me to think. Now rr said in his voicemail to me that he had been to church and from this I hoped that he is a man of conscience so I finished my voicemail stating if you are in bad need of money keep the money and the cylinder and Merry Christmas if not, please sent me the cylinder and maybe we could do business in the future. I never heard from Ray again. Now rr states in his reply to you that he is an honest person, I find this hard to beleive being I gave him every chance in my situation to let his conscience be his guide. Katman maybe I should not have replied to this but if it saves someone from going through what I have, it's worth it. I have always been tauhgt that at the end of the day that the only thing that can stand tall is the truth. I will send you a PM with my number to discuss.

[lecroy]

Now to make a very long story short after almost two months and ma .... een to church and from this I hoped that he is a man of conscience so I finished my voicemail stating if you are in bad need of money keep the money and the cylinder and Merry Christmas if not, please sent me the cylinder and maybe we could do business in the future. I never heard from Ray again.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!! Did you save the voice mails? Cashed chek? This is BAD! I can tell you that there is no way I would have let that one go if it happened as you have suggested. I would have filed in small claims after I sent him a 1099. Or was that a donation....

Looking forward to hearing Ray's side on this one!

[headsbikesmopars]

I can tell you that Fahsmos is 100% telling the truth about his experience with RapidRay. I have know this man for over twenty years and I can vouch for what he has said. I do know about this 'deal' that he struck with Ray, from day one. We are putting together an '85 GS1150 for Fahsmos and we need this cylinder bad. I know about the e-mails, PM's and phone calls and attemped phone calls and the messages. I know about it all. And it happened exactly the way Fahsmos has said it did. I also know about the two PM's I sent to Ray myself trying to persuade hime to do the 'right thing' and send Fahsmos his cylinder he paid him for. ...no response. I also can say that I have done business with Katman and found him to be up front and an honest man. I build GS engines too and I can say that those cams wouldn't go in any GS engine I build. The detail about the cams should have been reported to Katman before the deal was struck. JMHO. This really shouldn't be difficult...just do what you agree to. If you say you'll send something..send it. And be honest about the condition of the parts you are selling. Just play it straight..folks in 'aint hard.

[Fahsmos]

Cylinder

Yes I have the cancelled check but my phone only holds messages for 14 days. I try to live my life on the premise of WWJD, so I chose to try and let his conscience do the work with hopes of a happy ending. I then saw what Katman was going through and decided to speak up. It is probably best to let this post die here and possibly have him posted on Deadbeats.

[KEITH KRAUSE]

Damn. It's hard enough working on old bikes and finding parts without dealing with BS like this. What a shame. Deadbeat isn't half of it.

[lecroy]

Still looking forward to hearing Ray's side on this one!

[lecroy]

Dang, is this the end of Ray on this site? Starting to look like it. I see he is still posting on dragbike.com.