Sport Demons vs Roadriders

[Turtleface]

Get a spray bottle and a gallon of WD-40 with a plastic bristtle brush. That will work very well to cut the goop. Then degrease with the WD-40. Lose the wire brush.

Wire brush is brass, and pretty fine, and not scratching anything. Simple Green is a 1:1 mix, and working great. Follow up with Windex in order to get rid of any Simple Green residue. Stuff smells terrible when it's burning off your headers and top end. Having a hell of a time trying to get these carbs back in place. The intake boots are still very pliable. What's the easiest way? But boots on carbs, and pry them onto the engine? Or vice versa? I'm getting fairly frustrated trying to get these things together, and I know once I figure it out, it'll be easy after that.

[jinxz]

dont know about roadriders but i dont like the sport demons on my gs1100ez, rear tire breaks loose to easy on upshifts exiting corners, compared to my other rear tire i had on the bike which was a michlin macadamion or somthin like that , maybe i got a bad set ?

[Joe Nardy]

Thanks for all the responses. Bike is used for the daily commute, in the city, but I usually get out of town every few days to unwind from city living. Since I'm not really pushing the bike terribly hard, I'll probably check out the Roadriders. Next set will be the Sport Demons, just to compare.

Any word on the sizing for an 82 GS1100 EZ? Would any sort of oversize be beneficial, of does the "pinching" effect happen immediately? And what size should be stock, using metric sizing? All the sizing I've seen in my manuals doesn't readily transfer into metric sizing, and I don't have any formulas for that sort of thing.

Front 100/90-19
Rear 130/90-17

Stick with stock sizes. Bigger or smaller sizes will compromise profile, contact patch, and safety.

Thanks,
Joe

[Joe Nardy]

And that's another thing. Having the added safety margin afforded by the SD's would be nice, especially since I'm still learning to ride this thing.

The performance level, and thus safety margin, provided by either of these tires is more than 99% of riders have the ability to use. I wouldn't make that a major factor in this decision, but that's just my $.02......

Thanks,
Joe

[Turtleface]

The performance level, and thus safety margin, provided by either of these tires is more than 99% of riders have the ability to use. I wouldn't make that a major factor in this decision, but that's just my $.02......

Thanks,
Joe

Safety margin's not a major factor for you? Biggest factor for me. Maybe I'm not destined to be in that 99%.

[tkent02]

You would have to be an expert rider to need better traction/handling than the Avons provide, they are excellent tires. There is no safety advantage.

[Billy Ricks]

Safety margin's not a major factor for you? Biggest factor for me. Maybe I'm not destined to be in that 99%.

I believe what Joe meant is that superior performance and safety go hand in hand. A tire that sticks well in any condition is a safe tire.

[Turtleface]

You would have to be an expert rider to need better traction/handling than the Avons provide, they are excellent tires. There is no safety advantage.

Theoretically, if you accidentally were pushed to the limits of the Avon's traction, and still need more in order to avoid getting smooshed/highsided/lowsided/t-boned, the SD's could potentially save your life.

I'm not trying to be argumentitive for the sake of argument. It's sort of like overbuilding an engine. My next motor needs to be daily driveable, and able to withstand Phoenix summers, and still make lots of grunt. Now, when I get to the point where I'm building an engine, I won't need to daily drive the 1100E, and I probably won't ride it in 120 degree heat, but if I HAVE to, I want to be able to.

I guess I'm planning for the worst, and hoping for the best.

[tkent02]

You are learning to ride in Phoenix, on an 1100E, and you think some magic tires will make you safe?

OK.

[Joe Nardy]

Theoretically, if you accidentally were pushed to the limits of the Avon's traction, and still need more in order to avoid getting smooshed/highsided/lowsided/t-boned, the SD's could potentially save your life.

...only if you have the riding ability to take advantage of the Sport Demons or RoadRiders. My point was that 99% of street riders don't have the skills to use the full capabilities of either tire. Having a more capable tire won't do you any good if you aren't capable of exploiting those capabilities.

Thanks,
Joe

[Sunburn]

Great discussion about tires I love this stuff.



Don't blow it with some gay argument about opinions.


Facts are hard to come by, opinions plentiful, take it for what it's worth and move on....

[Turtleface]

You are learning to ride in Phoenix, on an 1100E, and you think some magic tires will make you safe?

OK.

I technically live in Tempe,(traffic's not nearly as bad as Phoenix)an 1100E isn't scary unless you don't have the will power to ride sanely, and I think better tires will make me safer. However, I already said I wasn't trying to be argumentive, so this will be my last post regarding this particular issue. My apoligies if I've upset anyone. I'm merely trying to be scientific and logical about all this motorcycle business.

The essence of what I'm trying to say is this:

According to skilled, experienced, and trustworthy members of this forum, the Pirelli Sport Demon tires afford the greatest performance, and henceforth, the greatest traction. The greater traction would offer a great margin of error, and statistically, be a safer tire, regardless of riding style or experience. Bad situations can crop up unexpectedly with even the best of riders, and in the event that maintaining a safe following distance, constantly scanning for threats, and riding in an manner that minimizes risk in as effective manner as possible, I find myself in such an unexpected bad situation, I wish to have a machine that is as capable as it can be.

Again, sorry if anyone's taken offense to anything I've typed.

Back to your previously scheduled thread.

[Turtleface]

I But, recently, I found a combo that I absolutely LOVE. Im running an Avon RoadRider rear with an Avon Venom X front. The combo is, in my opinion, outstanding. Nice feedback from the road, great stickiness, and I got a whole season out of the rear, and plus on the front.

Do you just get more feedback from the front with the Venom, compared to the Road Rider front? What advantages does the Venom offer over the Road Rider, when fitted to the front?

[tkent02]

Bad situations can crop up unexpectedly with even the best of riders, and in the event that maintaining a safe following distance, constantly scanning for threats, and riding in an manner that minimizes risk in as effective manner as possible, I find myself in such an unexpected bad situation, I wish to have a machine that is as capable as it can be.

And yet, you are riding a thirty year old motorcycle, with something like half the braking and handling of a modern bike...
Amazing.

[49er]

Whatever tyre you choose, it takes quite a bit of experience to be able to fully evaluate it's worth.

They have to be scrubbed in and have their tyre pressures set correctly before you can begin to evaluate. Things that can confuse accurate evaluation are tired/sagging suspension,excessive play in steering head and wheel bearings, incorrectly graded fork oil (for your weight and riding style), over sized tyres for rim width, poorly performing brakes, brake disc run out, etc,etc.

At the end of the day, tyres are a major part of a bike's overall handling and riding package and provide a very small contact area with the stuff you are trying to stay upright on.