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    #16
    Did the successful racers back in the day find all this necessary? I've never studied the photos I've seen.

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      #17
      what does your project weigh at this point?

      ,

      here is a example of a low budget frame for drag racing (under $500 not including the double clubfoot) - projecting 300+ horsepower. Plenty ridged no extra nonsense. I am looking for pictures of a road racing frame we built a few years ago.

      all those x braces freak me out. but I can get into the groove of your project because I love modified power bikes.
      SUZUKI , There is no substitute

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        #18
        Originally posted by philosopheriam View Post
        PS: Perhaps I have misused the term "sleeper" in a previous post - it seems that some on this forum understand it to be a race bike in street clothing... I was using the term to describe a bike that is deceptively faster/better performing than stock.
        Oh that explains it a " sleeper " is a bike that looks slow or stock but is not. Now a days if you not pushing at least 150 HP your not fast.
        Remember it only has to make you happy. Build it how you want it. But if you want any tip on how to make it quick and fast just ask. We have no problem voicing our opinion.
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        84 GSX1100EFG-10.62 @ 125 mph 64'' W/B.
        85 GS1150-9.72@146mph stock W/B.
        88 GSXR1100-dragbike 9.18@139.92mph/5.68@118mph.
        98 Bandit 1200-9.38@146mph/6.02@121mph.
        90 Suzuki GS 1425cc FBG Pro Stock chassis 5.42@124mph
        06 GSXR750 10.44@135mph
        00 Honda elite 80 pit bike

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          #19
          Looks sweet! I was wondering about the horizontal bracing above the swing arm bracing also. The yosh race bikes of that period had this along with another about where the battery box mnt point is.If you look at most modern Ducati,KTM sportbikes,lots of triangles are used in their frames.It would take an engineer to figure the use of tri-angles on a GS frame to get the best bang for your buck/weight. The weight of some bracing is minor compared to the handling benefits gained by it. If you are moderizing your brakes, the brake caliper arm could be lost by checking your FZ-6 or an FZ-1.I used a FZ-1 rear caliper and set it up like one.I like the swingarm,looks period correct, but better/cleanerthan the older braced arms.There is a lot of info on the old yosh bike out there,showing their mods to a GS1000 roadracer. Everyone has opinins on what may or may not work,but in the end its your choice of everyones opinions that you believe in, that will make your bike your own and built like you dreamed it could be.
          Last edited by limeex2; 11-14-2014, 06:18 AM. Reason: add a comment
          Current Rides: 82 GS1100E, 00 Triumph 955 Speed Triple:twistedevil:, 03 Kawasaki ZRX1200, 01 Honda GL1800, '15 Kawasaki 1000 Versys
          Past Rides: 72 Honda SL-125, Kawasaki KE-175, 77 GS750 with total yosh stage 1 kit, 79 GS1000s, 80 GS1000S, 82 GS750e,82 GS1000S, 84 VF500f, 86 FZR600, 95 Triumph Sprint 900,96 Triumph Sprint, 97 Triumph Sprint, 01 Kawasaki ZRX1200, 07 Triumph Tiger 1050, 01 Yam YFZ250F
          Work in progress: 78 GS1000, unknown year GS1100ES

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            #20
            I love your project! Bad add idea. Take some video?
            1981 GS 1100e turbo, 83 motor, turbo pistons, new head, new turbo, backed and welded clutch basket, Dyna S ignition, cbr 929 front end, gsxr 750 rear end with 190 tire, all carbon fiber covered bodywork.

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              #21
              It is clear OP had the benefit of most of the better information posted here about bracing.

              See Tone's comments here:

              This forum contains old posts which may have information which may be useful. It is a closed forum in that you can not post here any longer. Please post your questions in the other technical forums.


              This the OP's thread started some time back.

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                #22
                I have never pushed a bike hard enough to feel the "need" for all that bracing,
                but I was wondering if you can still remove the oil filter past that lower "X"?



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                Last edited by Steve; 11-15-2014, 01:52 AM.
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                  #23
                  Thanks everyone - as for my brakes, I am going to run Salty's dual disc upgrade with 2-pot calipers and CBR900 fireblade rotors up front.

                  I'm going to leave the rear brake alone as I don;t use it much, anyway :-)
                  Cogito ergo sum - "I think, therefore I am"
                  René Descartes

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                    #24
                    I just want to be able to find this thread again!! hence my post. lol
                    Current Rides: 82 GS1100E, 00 Triumph 955 Speed Triple:twistedevil:, 03 Kawasaki ZRX1200, 01 Honda GL1800, '15 Kawasaki 1000 Versys
                    Past Rides: 72 Honda SL-125, Kawasaki KE-175, 77 GS750 with total yosh stage 1 kit, 79 GS1000s, 80 GS1000S, 82 GS750e,82 GS1000S, 84 VF500f, 86 FZR600, 95 Triumph Sprint 900,96 Triumph Sprint, 97 Triumph Sprint, 01 Kawasaki ZRX1200, 07 Triumph Tiger 1050, 01 Yam YFZ250F
                    Work in progress: 78 GS1000, unknown year GS1100ES

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                      #25
                      "Several months ago"…that's quite a waiting list.
                      But the work looks 1st rate.

                      Oops, I thought this was a newish thread.
                      Anyway, I love your unemotional and detailed response/defense to trollish criticism.
                      Seems like drag racers are unaware of curved track racing, from what they write.

                      I also agree with your limited expectations from a steel frame bike designed 35 years ago, when anybody can buy a newer sport bike like your Yamaha.
                      Last edited by Buffalo Bill; 05-06-2015, 07:13 AM.
                      1982 GS1100G- road bike
                      1990 GSX750F-(1127cc '92 GSXR engine)
                      1987 Honda CBR600F Hurricane

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                        #26
                        [QUOTE=Steve;2128663]I have never pushed a bike hard enough to feel the "need" for all that bracing,


                        [/QUTE]
                        I very much doubt ANYONE on this site has either!
                        1978 GS1085.

                        Just remember, an opinion without 3.14 is just an onion!

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                          #27
                          [QUOTE=Agemax;2180392]
                          Originally posted by Steve View Post
                          I have never pushed a bike hard enough to feel the "need" for all that bracing, [/QUTE]
                          I very much doubt ANYONE on this site has either!
                          I know I can't push them that hard!!! But I really don't ride all that well…just keep the wheels down is my moto.

                          Great looking frame! Should be a fun bike and fun to build, cant wait to see more!
                          Im glad I stumbled on to this thread Framecrafters may be a good resourced to know about in the future.

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                            #28
                            [QUOTE=Agemax;2180392]
                            Originally posted by Steve View Post
                            I have never pushed a bike hard enough to feel the "need" for all that bracing.
                            I very much doubt ANYONE on this site has either!
                            Well down here in the southern hemisphere we do still race these things pretty seriously...As GS58 has previously pointed out. When your local opposition is a well ridden and expensively maintained RG500Mk4, you need every bit of help you can get.
                            What you've done will work well with modern levels of grip. The only bit extra I'd have done is a pair of diagonals behind and below the steering head from the horizontal rails to the downtubes. This alone stiffens the steering head area up noticeably - but may interfere with mounting the horns....

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                              #29
                              I'm going from stock hp (around 90) to near 120/130 when all is said and done. This was part of my rationale for stiffening up the frame and swingarm
                              Cogito ergo sum - "I think, therefore I am"
                              René Descartes

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