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It's heartbreaking to read about those broken bolts. Most of the time they can be safely extracted if you take your time and don't force things. I use a 1/4" short handle ratchet wrench so the temptation to crank the bolts is reduced. Spray them with PB Blaster then heat with a torch until they are red and then hit them with the PB again. Use your short handle wrench turning BOTH in and out. The idea is to get them to crack loose. Heat, spray, turn, again and again. Once you get them to move the PB will penetrate better. Again, in and out, slowly working out of course...but never force them.Ed
To measure is to know.
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Yeah Cowboy, if your nut welding trick doesn't work, I'd be happy to dig them buggers out for you... Good luck 👍My Motorcycles:
22 Kawasaki Z900 RS (Candy Tone Blue)
22 BMW K1600GT (Probably been to a town near you)
82 1100e Drag Bike (needs race engine)
81 1100e Street Bike (with race engine)
79 1000e (all original)
82 850g (all original)
80 KZ 650F (needs restored)
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As noted in the other thread, I doubt that the cylinders are bad and suspect the valves and compression gauge/measuring setup instead, so I'd rule those out first before taking the cylinders off...But since you have a capable machine shop available, yeah, why not.#1: 1979 GS 550 EC "Red" – Very first Bike / Overhaul thread New here? ☛ Read the Top 10 Newbie mistakes thread
#2: 1978 GS 550 EC "Blue" – Can't make it a donor / "Rebuild" thread Manuals (and much more): See Cliff's homepage here
#3: 2014 Moto Guzzi V7 II Racer – One needs a runner while wrenching
#4: 1980 Moto Guzzi V65C – Something to chill
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Top end came off but first, I did a valve clearance check and cylinders 1 and 2 still match while both 3 and 4 tightened up slightly from what I checked in September of 2019. However, when I removed the intake cam and then the number 2 shim, I found this:
Broken Intake 2 Shim by Scott Baker, on Flickr
I'm trying to understand how that happened when I know the shim was sitting in the bucket properly after the adjustment. Fortunately though, all pieces are accounted for and that cam lobe is not damaged
Number 2 Cam Lobe by Scott Baker, on Flickr
Top end is off though. I'll drop the cylinders off on Thursday now as I have to work late tomorrow to push new network statements to all of our hospitals. Then we'll dig into the valves to lap them and replace the seals. I'll also order parts this weekend once I know if there's any other damage.
Top End Removed by Scott Baker, on FlickrCowboy Up or Quit. - Run Free Lou and Rest in Peace
1981 GS550T - My First
1981 GS550L - My Eldest Daughter's - Now Sold
2007 GSF1250SA Bandit - My touring bike
Sit tall in the saddle Hold your head up high
Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky and live like you ain't afraid to die
and don't be scared, just enjoy your ride - Chris Ledoux, "The Ride"
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If by chance that shim is a K&L then you found your answer. They made a bunch of bad shims a few years back and contaminated the market. Z1 even stop selling them for a while.Ed
To measure is to know.
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Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf
KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection
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After dropping the cylinders off at the machine shop today I proceeded to remove the valves but needed help as the oil seals would budge. Steve and I finally got all of the valves out and cleaned up. They don't look too bad:
Intake valve before cleaning
Intake Valve before Cleaning by Scott Baker, on Flickr
After
Intake Valve after Cleaning by Scott Baker, on Flickr
And Exhaust before
Exhaust Valve before Cleaning by Scott Baker, on Flickr
And after
Exhaust Valve after Cleaning by Scott Baker, on Flickr
Valve seats also look good
Other Cylinders Valve Seats by Scott Baker, on Flickr
Valve Seats by Scott Baker, on Flickr
Lapping will come after I order parts from Parts Outlaw this weekend.
Only questionable item I had though were the measurements for the outer valve springs. According to the service manual, the standard free length setting is 43.0mm through 43.25 mm and the limit was 41.3mm. However, each of the springs measured between 42.2 and 42.84. They are technically still good but I wonder if I shouldn't replace them anyway. Decisions decisionsCowboy Up or Quit. - Run Free Lou and Rest in Peace
1981 GS550T - My First
1981 GS550L - My Eldest Daughter's - Now Sold
2007 GSF1250SA Bandit - My touring bike
Sit tall in the saddle Hold your head up high
Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky and live like you ain't afraid to die
and don't be scared, just enjoy your ride - Chris Ledoux, "The Ride"
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Those valve seats look horrable. At some point in that bikes life the valve adjustment wasn't tended to properly.
And you may want to try to find someone with a centerless valve grinding machine. It takes about 2 mins. per valve to clean up the faces and trim the stem to look like new.Ed
To measure is to know.
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Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf
KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection
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While we wait for the cylinders to be checked by the machine shop and Norm to remove the broken exhaust bolts, I removed the pistons from the bike to clean them up slightly. I haven't removed the rings yet as I'm waiting to find out for sure what I'm going to order. Both numbers 1 and 4 looked like this while 2 and 3 were slightly better:
Pistons before cleaning by Scott Baker, on Flickr
After cleanup:
Pistons after cleaning by Scott Baker, on FlickrCowboy Up or Quit. - Run Free Lou and Rest in Peace
1981 GS550T - My First
1981 GS550L - My Eldest Daughter's - Now Sold
2007 GSF1250SA Bandit - My touring bike
Sit tall in the saddle Hold your head up high
Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky and live like you ain't afraid to die
and don't be scared, just enjoy your ride - Chris Ledoux, "The Ride"
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The machine shop returned the cylinders today saying everything is in spec and after honing them for me. I scraped off the gasket and now we wait for the head and parts plus I want to go through the wiring.
Cylinders after honing by Scott Baker, on Flickr
Other set Cylinders after honing by Scott Baker, on FlickrCowboy Up or Quit. - Run Free Lou and Rest in Peace
1981 GS550T - My First
1981 GS550L - My Eldest Daughter's - Now Sold
2007 GSF1250SA Bandit - My touring bike
Sit tall in the saddle Hold your head up high
Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky and live like you ain't afraid to die
and don't be scared, just enjoy your ride - Chris Ledoux, "The Ride"
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Still awaiting parts but removed the wiring harness today so I can run through itCowboy Up or Quit. - Run Free Lou and Rest in Peace
1981 GS550T - My First
1981 GS550L - My Eldest Daughter's - Now Sold
2007 GSF1250SA Bandit - My touring bike
Sit tall in the saddle Hold your head up high
Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky and live like you ain't afraid to die
and don't be scared, just enjoy your ride - Chris Ledoux, "The Ride"
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Parts came in yesterday so valves got lapped and re-installed today.
Lapped Valves by Scott Baker, on Flickr
Other Lapped Valves by Scott Baker, on Flickr
Won't be able to finish things up until next week as I have other stuff to do first.Cowboy Up or Quit. - Run Free Lou and Rest in Peace
1981 GS550T - My First
1981 GS550L - My Eldest Daughter's - Now Sold
2007 GSF1250SA Bandit - My touring bike
Sit tall in the saddle Hold your head up high
Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky and live like you ain't afraid to die
and don't be scared, just enjoy your ride - Chris Ledoux, "The Ride"
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Good progress.
(Getting way ahead of me. )http://webpages.charter.net/ddvrnr/GS850_1100_Emblems.jpg
Had 850G for 14 years. Now have GK since 2005.
GK at IndyMotoGP Suzuki Display... ... GK on GSResources Page ... ... Euro Trash Ego Machine .. ..3 mo'cykls.... update 2 mocykl
https://imgur.com/YTMtgq4
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New piston rings are installed but I'm still working on cleaning up the side covers before I will install them. I need to run another coat of aircraft stripper on the back side of the stator cover as I forgot to hit it earlier. Sadly, it's hotter than the recommended temperatures on the can so I'll either go back over late tonight for that part or wait until later this week when it cools down some.
New Rings Installed by Scott Baker, on Flickr
Working on the shine by Scott Baker, on Flickr
It's also a running joke in the house that I will put EVERYTHING into a project, something few projects are completed without, especially when I'm working with wood. And of course, Charmayne's bike was no exception today. Tears from the frustration of determining the root cause of the problem, the sweat from the heat right now, and of course blood from a nicked thumb on one of the piston rings:
Bloody piston by Scott Baker, on FlickrCowboy Up or Quit. - Run Free Lou and Rest in Peace
1981 GS550T - My First
1981 GS550L - My Eldest Daughter's - Now Sold
2007 GSF1250SA Bandit - My touring bike
Sit tall in the saddle Hold your head up high
Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky and live like you ain't afraid to die
and don't be scared, just enjoy your ride - Chris Ledoux, "The Ride"
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Top End is re-installed. I'm still cleaning the wiring and need to finish some other smaller items but I think I'll have everything else together by Monday or so.
Top End reinstalled by Scott Baker, on FlickrCowboy Up or Quit. - Run Free Lou and Rest in Peace
1981 GS550T - My First
1981 GS550L - My Eldest Daughter's - Now Sold
2007 GSF1250SA Bandit - My touring bike
Sit tall in the saddle Hold your head up high
Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky and live like you ain't afraid to die
and don't be scared, just enjoy your ride - Chris Ledoux, "The Ride"
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Wiring is finished with new bullet connectors replacing old ones and blade terminals removed, cleaned, and re-inserted. I then tested the resistance between the ignitor connector and the coil connectors on the harness as well as fuse block connector to start button. Everything is looking good there (at most .2 ohms above or .1 ohm below what the default reading is) as far as I know with my limited understanding.Cowboy Up or Quit. - Run Free Lou and Rest in Peace
1981 GS550T - My First
1981 GS550L - My Eldest Daughter's - Now Sold
2007 GSF1250SA Bandit - My touring bike
Sit tall in the saddle Hold your head up high
Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky and live like you ain't afraid to die
and don't be scared, just enjoy your ride - Chris Ledoux, "The Ride"
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