Newb question about a hard tail.

[JUICEBOX]

You asked for criticism. You got it. Open pipes and zero rear suspension are for idiots.

Technically i said i apprieciate constuctive criticism, ive been riding for 15 years and have been through dozens of bikes. Mostly track bikes but street and cruiser too. I understand people become partial to their bikes and cannot accept the fact someone would deface their precious machine buuuut i like cutting things up and making them my own, if you do things right it doesnt become unsafe, hence asking around for people with knowledge. I see that i have come to the wrong place for that.

[JUICEBOX]

Mr. Juicebox has been added to my ignore list because he intends to run an open exhaust and I deleted my other posts from this thread. Interestingly, I've got about 20 other people on my ignore list, other guys running open exhausts, only NONE of them post here anymore. Humm, what does that tell you about the GSR? Ah, maybe guys of that sort of mentality just don't get along around here? You decide.

lol, are you the forum bouncer? Is someone supposed to care if you ignore them? I dont mind. By the way, at the end of the day its still a zook.

[DohcBikes]

Hello.

This is ridiculous.

Wanting the wrong things for a motorcycle does not make you an idiot. A childish and lazy way to address their concerns.

I implore you to strongly consider rethinking the straight pipes. Not neccessarily for noise, I am a hooligan through and through, but for performance. There are plenty of loud bikes and other vehicles out there, a GS450 isnt going to be that loud.

Would you chastize a person for having open pipes on a hot rod?

Lots of people enjoy their hardtails. I strongly recommend considering a frame up build, with a frame that was intentionally engineered to withstand the stresses that a hardtail experiences, especially at LOW speed, which is far more abusive than high speed.

The GS450 is not a good candidate for your intentions. This much is fact. The carbs won't like your approach, the bike is too small to be comfortable chopper, and dude, you can make that bike SSSOOOO MUCH MORE. You can big bore it, cheap. You can upgrade damn near everything to the point where the performance will flattout surprise you.

[DohcBikes]

By the way, why the members here would not want to have a membership of diverse tastes and styles is completely beyond me. Many of the vocal members here sure do give the impression that it's either "their way or the highway", which in the hobby and sport of motorcycling has absolutely no residence.

My 70 year old trucker grandpa daily drove a late 70s dodge prospector with a 318 and cherry bombs on it. I don't know how you all were raised, but ain't nothin' wrong with HotRoddin' in my book.

[1978GS750E]

I agree DohcBikes! Like you stated, many of the "vocal" members on here give the impression of "their way or the highway". I think some of them should take a lesson on how to ignore a thread that they do not have anything constructive to say. Seems like a few just want to insult other people. Great forum for technical info but IMHO the "off topic" parts are a waste!

[Nessism]

Loud pipes are the domain of the selfish. They create ill well among the public against ALL motorcyclist, which is my beef. Beyond this I don't really care what one does with their bike. It's a shame when someone hacks up a nice older bike so hopefully the starting point is something befitting the sawzall. That part is just a quibble, it's the noise crap that's gotta stop.

[DohcBikes]

I've got about 20 other people on my ignore list, other guys running open exhausts, only NONE of them post here anymore. Humm, what does that tell you about the GSR?

Actually this statement is selfish, and says exponentially more about you, than it does GSR or the open pipe guys. This forum as an entity can only be as understanding as it's least understanding members, because they are the ones that draw the most attention. Maybe it is time for a bit of introspection.

[Nessism]

Actually this statement is selfish, and says exponentially more about you, than it does GSR or the open pipe guys. This forum as an entity can only be as understanding as it's least understanding members, because they are the ones that draw the most attention. Maybe it is time for a bit of introspection.

Ha ha, whatever man. Mr. 301 posts. About 25,000 of my posts here have been helping people here fix their bikes. And every one of the 20 guys on my ignore list are idiots that were running open pipes.

[DohcBikes]

Ha ha, whatever man. Mr. 301 posts.

Your point will have a hard time coming across if you accompany it with insults.

every one of the 20 guys on my ignore list are idiots that were running open pipes.

More of the same, saying "anyone with open pipes is an idiot" is not a great way to convey a sense of helpfulness. It makes you sound judgemental, based on your personal preferences, along with expressing the notion that you might be incapable of communicating in a practical manner. Just because somebody does not agree with your personal taste, it does not make them an idiot, and connecting the entire membership here to your views is something I personally don't appreciate. I'm sure there are others.

[roeme]

There is no need to be understanding towards people who run open pipes on public roads. Earlier, my opinion was a long as you keep your open pipe outside villages/cities, I don't care. However, that has changed recently: Here in Switzerland, where open pipes are illegal, we had/have some wise-a$$es which built a bypass into their exhausts, so they could get super-loud in the valleys. Alright, fine.

Well, it wasn't before long before it got to the point where you couldn't go hiking (which is kinda popular pastime here) in most areas without having constant motor noise around you. And some special-grade jacka$$es even left their bypass open in cities, where even more people got blasted with some cool noise.

Engine sounds, as cool as they are, get very old, very fast - I do say this as a person who is regularly around (and does some light maintenance to) an engine with a peak power output of 1000hp with a displacement of 30'000cm³, and all this thing gets in terms of an exhaust is a collector. It's cool. But even this gets old.

We here now have newspaper articles revolving around the issue of motorcycle exhausts, the police cracking down on motorcyclists in general, I get queer reactions for my '79 motorcycle which is legally allowed to be louder than modern models, the general populace not liking motorcycles at all, and the vehicle inspection making it harder and harder to get nice old bikes road legal. Among a multitude of other things.

You'll understand that can make one's blood boil.

Nobody on the GSR "truly" cares what you do to your bike – they might be simply not interested to help out, nothing wrong with that. Maybe groan and bitch about cutting up a fine bike, but yeah. Who wouldn't about a topic close to one's heart?

Open pipes are only secondarily a matter of taste or style - on a bike which is intended to be used outside the track, it's a matter of one's attitude.

If we are to get along with each other, everyone has to make a compromise. Open pipes are at the extreme end on the spectrum of what levels of vehicle noise a society has to tolerate - the same way as completely silent vehicles are idiotic anti-fun.

[JUICEBOX]

There is no need to be understanding towards people who run open pipes on public roads. Earlier, my opinion was a long as you keep your open pipe outside villages/cities, I don't care. However, that has changed recently: Here in Switzerland, where open pipes are illegal, we had/have some wise-a$$es which built a bypass into their exhausts, so they could get super-loud in the valleys. Alright, fine.

Well, it wasn't before long before it got to the point where you couldn't go hiking (which is kinda popular pastime here) in most areas without having constant motor noise around you. And some special-grade jacka$$es even left their bypass open in cities, where even more people got blasted with some cool noise.

Engine sounds, as cool as they are, get very old, very fast - I do say this as a person who is regularly around (and does some light maintenance to) an engine with a peak power output of 1000hp with a displacement of 30'000cm³, and all this thing gets in terms of an exhaust is a collector. It's cool. But even this gets old.

We here now have newspaper articles revolving around the issue of motorcycle exhausts, the police cracking down on motorcyclists in general, I get queer reactions for my '79 motorcycle which is legally allowed to be louder than modern models, the general populace not liking motorcycles at all, and the vehicle inspection making it harder and harder to get nice old bikes road legal. Among a multitude of other things.

You'll understand that can make one's blood boil.

Nobody on the GSR "truly" cares what you do to your bike – they might be simply not interested to help out, nothing wrong with that. Maybe groan and bitch about cutting up a fine bike, but yeah. Who wouldn't about a topic close to one's heart?

Open pipes are only secondarily a matter of taste or style - on a bike which is intended to be used outside the track, it's a matter of one's attitude.

If we are to get along with each other, everyone has to make a compromise. Open pipes are at the extreme end on the spectrum of what levels of vehicle noise a society has to tolerate - the same way as completely silent vehicles are idiotic anti-fun.

Im from Pittsburgh Pa not switzerland, but aside from that i asked about hard tailing the bike. I understand the concept that the design of the bike is compromised, I have other bikes to actually go on rides with. Not sure how we went to straight pipes,I have a 2015 ZX10r track bike with full M4 and race ecu that would make your blood boil. Its a 450 so loud isnt what im after, i just said yes because i will most definatley cut chop add remove replace the exhaust until "I" get what "im" looking for. Anyways thanks Doch, i apprecieate your input on my question. I was thinking about starting with a whole new frame and using this motor, its a 1982 that looks rough with a strong motor and 18k miles. Picked it up for $50.00

[GS1150Pilot]

Technically i said i apprieciate constuctive criticism, ive been riding for 15 years and have been through dozens of bikes. Mostly track bikes but street and cruiser too. I understand people become partial to their bikes and cannot accept the fact someone would deface their precious machine buuuut i like cutting things up and making them my own, if you do things right it doesnt become unsafe, hence asking around for people with knowledge. I see that i have come to the wrong place for that.

When it comes to a GS450, I doubt many people here could care too much. You asked for "constructive" criticism about a deconstructive prospect. When people weighed in against the dumb idea of hardtailing a bike that came with rear suspension, you got ****y. There is zero good reason to hardtail any streetgoing motorcycle, so if you want advice that will fit with your decision, go to a cafe/rat-bike forum where there is little concern for the original machine.

[JUICEBOX]

When it comes to a GS450, I doubt many people here could care too much. You asked for "constructive" criticism about a deconstructive prospect. When people weighed in against the dumb idea of hardtailing a bike that came with rear suspension, you got ****y. There is zero good reason to hardtail any streetgoing motorcycle, so if you want advice that will fit with your decision, go to a cafe/rat-bike forum where there is little concern for the original machine.

I didnt ask for a good reason and only 3 people actually weighed in on the hard tail question, everyone else had a mini stroke. I should have started the post off with "hey, i think this bike is a little gay, but i got it for $50.00 and im bored, what kinds of non gay stuff are people doing to them". I mean come on, its not like I am looking at this bike like its going to take me on some magic carpet ride. Just looking to make it a little less gay, then someone said straight pipes people got triggered. Do you guys have like extremely stressful lives?

[roeme]

Im from Pittsburgh Pa not switzerland, but aside from that i asked about hard tailing the bike. I understand the concept that the design of the bike is compromised, I have other bikes to actually go on rides with. Not sure how we went to straight pipes,I have a 2015 ZX10r track bike with full M4 and race ecu that would make your blood boil. Its a 450 so loud isnt what im after, i just said yes because i will most definatley cut chop add remove replace the exhaust until "I" get what "im" looking for. Anyways thanks Doch, i apprecieate your input on my question. I was thinking about starting with a whole new frame and using this motor, its a 1982 that looks rough with a strong motor and 18k miles. Picked it up for $50.00

My text was meant to illustrate why open pipes get the reactions they do from other GSR members.

I couldn't care less about the pipes on your track bike. Heck, drop the exhausts completely for all I care. Go wild.

Since I don't have anything to say about the hardtailing aspect, I didn't include it into my response.

[DohcBikes]

When it comes to a GS450, I doubt many people here could care too much. You asked for "constructive" criticism about a deconstructive prospect. When people weighed in against the dumb idea of hardtailing a bike that came with rear suspension, you got ****y. There is zero good reason to hardtail any streetgoing motorcycle, so if you want advice that will fit with your decision, go to a cafe/rat-bike forum where there is little concern for the original machine.

Stop telling people what to do.

Stop telling people to leave this forum just because YOU have a closed mind.

He didnt get "****y" with anyone. You called him an idiot. He has actually handled himself very well considering the embarrassing attitude of some of the posters here.

"Hardtails have no place onthe blah blah" yea, right. Ever heard of Iron Butt rallys? Yea, plenty of hardtails out there that ride across the entire country every year.

It is just as much the right of the o.p. to ride what he wants as it is your right to ride what you want. You are being very childish.