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    #31
    Originally posted by Rob S. View Post
    This thread is interesting because it's the first (I've seen) about tubeless tires not functioning correctly on old tube rims. The majority opinion here is "nothing can go wrong."

    Like my mechanic, I'm old school. When it was time for tires, I wanted what Cycle World used for their superbike shootouts - Bridgestone Battleaxe. But they are not designed for my 1982 rims. And vice versa. So I went with tubes and Pirelli Sport Demons. 'Modifying' my rims would give me the creeps. Not something I want to think about at 110 mph.
    ????

    Tubeless tires are perfectly happy running on both tube type and tubeless wheels.





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      #32
      Originally posted by rphillips View Post
      Yep, I've never understood how Suzuki could have got tube, tubeless thing so inconsistent. Like you, I've tried to find out when & how, but I don't think anybody knows. My new, off the show room,1980 GS1000G had tubeless front but rear had a tube. You'd think by the time they had the newer style wheels, like on my "83" GS1100E, all would be tubeless, but no they still came with tubes. Not for sure, as they've been gone for a while, but thinking my "85" & "86" GS1150's came with tubes, but had been converted before I got them... Also reading that thread again, I noticed Ed said the early Suzuki tubeless wheels didn't have the bumps, to help secure the tire, that the later ones had.
      A lot of folks don't realize Suzuki was the worlds largest producer of rubber tubes once upon a time. Bikes were just an incredibly complex diversion to hide the fact you were buying tubes.
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        #33
        Originally posted by Nessism View Post

        ????

        Tubeless tires are perfectly happy running on both tube type and tubeless wheels.




        Right, but I'm uncomfortable with no tubes on tube type rims.
        1982 GS1100E V&H "SS" exhaust, APE pods, 1150 oil cooler, 140 speedo, 99.3 rear wheel HP, black engine, '83 red

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          #34
          Bridgestone battelaxe not designed for my "82" wheels???.. As far as I know any tubeless tire is fine on tube type rims, including spoke type rims, just install tubes. Haven't I seen it written on the tires "On tube type rims install tubes"? Don't ever remember seeing do not use on tube type rims.
          Last edited by rphillips; 08-26-2022, 10:56 PM.
          1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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            #35
            Originally posted by rphillips View Post
            Bridgestone battelaxe not designed for my "82" wheels???.. As far as I know any tubeless tire is fine on tube type rims, including spoke type rims, JUST INSTALL TUBES. Haven't I seen it written on the tires "On tube type rims install tubes"? Don't ever remember seeing do not use on tube type rims.
            That's the way I feel. But everybody else around here thinks tubes are evil.
            1982 GS1100E V&H "SS" exhaust, APE pods, 1150 oil cooler, 140 speedo, 99.3 rear wheel HP, black engine, '83 red

            2016 XL883L sigpic Two-tone blue and white. Almost 42 hp! Status: destroyed, now owned by the insurance company. The hole in my memory starts an hour before the accident and ends 24 hours after.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Rob S. View Post

              That's the way I feel. But everybody else around here thinks tubes are evil.
              Well....That's because they are...

              The first patent for a tubeless tire was awarded in 1928, and here we are, almost 100 years later wondering if it is a good idea...

              Of course, even on a tubeless tire rim, they don't always stay on...
              Last edited by Baatfam; 08-27-2022, 06:25 AM.
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                #37
                Bob, I assume that 1928 was for tubeless car & truck tires. Can you find when the first tubeless motorcycle tires came about?
                1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by rphillips View Post
                  Bob, I assume that 1928 was for tubeless car & truck tires. Can you find when the first tubeless motorcycle tires came about?
                  It was, and they did not mention motorcycle tires. But I found a lot of information on tubeless bicycle tires...
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                    #39
                    Yeah, I looked a lot for when the first tubeless motorcycle tires came about, but never came up with anything. Wouldn't think a tubeless motorcycle tire till the cast wheels came out. But like the chicken & egg, I don't know.
                    1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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                      #40
                      During the early adoption of tubeless OEM tires, both Suzuki GS's and Kawasaki KZ's used "tubeless" front wheels that didn't have the famous "2nd hump" to keep the tire in place near the bead, in case of deflation. My KZ750 is one such bike; wheels state "tubeless" but there isn't the 2nd hump. If the OEM's could do it, I don't know why us end users can't do the same. That said, I typically don't. Mostly because I'm too lazy to convert the valve stem from tube type to tubeless.
                      Ed

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                        #41
                        The situation in the '70s and '80s is murky... the tragedy of disco meant that many more important matters were poorly undocumented.

                        Anyway, a point remains: here in 2022, if your old bike originally came with tubes in the wheels, then it is your inalienable right to use tubes, even if someone has already converted your wheels to tubeless. Just remove the valve stem and proceed as if you still have a Saturday Night Fever 8-track tape in your car.

                        In other words, if it bugs you, then use tubes. You can still get all the tubes you want.

                        It's psychological: one fundamental principle of motorcycling safety is that all unneeded distractions should be removed to the extent possible. If you're going to worry about it, then install tubes so you don't worry. Don't run tubeless unless you're very certain it's what you want to do.

                        The regulations and practices around marking wheels "TUBELESS" are a little murky as well. For the final word, just look at the front and rear wheel parts fiches for your motorcycle to see if there's a tube.
                        Last edited by bwringer; 08-29-2022, 09:19 AM.
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                          #42
                          The situation in the '70s and '80s is murky... the tragedy of disco meant that many more important matters were poorly undocumented.
                          Too funny! but also, I think Suzuki had to get their new! improved! tubeless rims DOT approved and somehow didn't...ie: 80-81 cast alloy "star" look are not properly tubeless but the next year's '82+ "y" look was approved and tubeless...you can see the early alloy rim changes at All Suzuki Motorcycles Ever Built

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                            #43
                            My "80" GS1000G had a tubeless "star" wheel on it when I bought it off the showroom floor in "80". Surely Suzuki didn't stamp Tubeless on it if it weren't DOT approved. Also my "83" 1100 E with the newer style wheels are not stamped Tubeless... Really confusing system they have here.
                            Last edited by rphillips; 08-29-2022, 12:01 PM.
                            1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by rphillips View Post
                              My "80" GS1000G had a tubeless "star" wheel on it when I bought it off the showroom floor in "80". Surely Suzuki didn't stamp Tubeless on it if it weren't DOT approved. Also my "83" 1100 E with the newer style wheels are not stamped Tubeless... Really confusing system they have here.
                              huh!well I stand corrected! My 81 gsx 400 star wheels are not tubeless ... My 82's 650's "y" wheels were tubeless and said so with DOT stamped on the rims too, I recall.of course tires have had "DOT" stamped on them for a long time. I expect they still "approve" rims too but I'd have to go look to see if they're stamped somehwere or somehow.

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                                #45
                                I'll ad this, on my "80" GS1100G only the front was stamped Tubeless, and had no tube, the rear had a tube.
                                1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100

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