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4 into 4 exhaust?

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Hi, thinking of trying something dumb and could use some advice and/or discouragement.

I noticed for the first time the other day that the exhaust on my 79 gs850 was pretty leaky around all the joints where the tailpipes slip over the headers. That wasn't too big of a concern to me really as it has been running and riding very well(in my opinion), but another thing that DOES bother me is that at one time somebody did a botch job of cutting my pipes back a little and then also POUNDED some kind of homemade looking baffles in. Really gnarly looking, all rusty and dented. But to their credit, they seemed to work decently, if not sound the best(bike was $400, I ain't about to complain).
So I got a bug up my arse today and tore the whole works off, with the intention of knocking out the baffles and then researching what kind of aftermarket ones were out there that might work and while I was at it using some 2000?F caulk that left work with me to seal up the joints better.

Of course the tail pipes are tapered, which makes finding a baffle difficult, and I had to severely abuse them to separate them from the headers. Looks like they were maybe squished slightly in a vise, apparently somebody thought they might come apart somehow while riding. I don't get it. Oh, and those baffles were sure enough at the end of their life. First couple jabs I took at one with a 24" extension went right through.

Anyways I got to thinking about what to do without spending TOO much money, and I hit on the idea of keeping the original headers and extending each one out with a piece of 1.5" 14gauge stainless pipe and securing a baffle in each one then painting the whole thing with ACE brand 1000?F BBQ Black flat paint. Still probably cost between $150 and $200, but it's something to do and I'd be real curious to see how it sounds.

Question is; What are the odds that I will never be able to get this thing to run right at all? AND I've also read about how cutting out the crossover pipe can hurt low end power. This bike never had a crossover(to my knowledge), but will dividing the pipes in the manner I'm proposing have a similar effect?

I've got it pretty well worked out in my head and on paper exactly how I would go about building and securing this exhaust, just wondering if better heads than mine can tell me why I shouldn't.
 
Probably easier, cheaper and better just to get a pair of these:

s-l1600.jpg


http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-C...ash=item3a9cf0235d:g:XrMAAOSwuMFUfdjh&vxp=mtr
 
The sound of a 4-into-4 would be a bit more "chatter", much like the Honda CB750K. Some might like it, others ... not.

As far as jetting, you will be pretty much on your own, in uncharted territory. I have not heard of anyone trying that before.

I installed a pair of the mufflers that hillsy showed on my son's 450. Not quite as quiet as stock, but far from 'loud'. Thinking back, it's sort of like the difference between G or E pipes and L pipes.

You are correct, the '79 850 did not have a crossover pipe. I have replaced a rusted-out crossover on at least four 850s so far, with no noteable difference in power. The sound is ever-so-slightly different, but you have to know what to listen for to notice.

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Question is; What are the odds that I will never be able to get this thing to run right at all?

If you are keeping the stock airbox and filter arrangement then jetting for a tweaked exhaust isn't going to be very hard at all.


Probably easier, cheaper and better just to get a pair of these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-C...ash=item3a9cf0235d:g:XrMAAOSwuMFUfdjh&vxp=mtr

I would say that would be an excellent solution for OP and the price is very reasonable.


Mark
 
Interesting, I didn't know the pre 80 bike didn't have a crossover. Guess I've never looked under my part bike to see. Although My parts bike was made in 79 so I don't know if that means it's an 80 model or a 79 model.
 
I'm running '79 exhaust system (no crossover) on my '80. No issues whatsoever
 
Interesting, I didn't know the pre 80 bike didn't have a crossover. Guess I've never looked under my part bike to see.
Although My parts bike was made in 79 so I don't know if that means it's an 80 model or a 79 model.

How complete is your parts bike? :-k

There are several differences that are easy to spot, if you know where to look.

1979:
chrome front fender
VM carbs
"choke" lever is on carbs
points ignition
kick starter
separate rectifier and regulator
12-pole stator
headlight switch probably works
side cover badge says "GS850"

1980:
painted front fender
CV-type carbs
"choke" is a knob in the steering stem
electronic ignition
NO kick starter
integrated R/R
18-pole stator
headlight switch probably still there, but disabled
side cover badge says "GS850G"

There are more, but most of these are easy to see (except the stator).

You can also look for the actual production date on the steering stem.
Anything after 8/79 might be for the 1980 production run.

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Think I'm scrapping this idea for now. I'd like to be able to ride on fathers day and I can't get any kind of baffles that will work without ordering them. Think the kickstand might need to be tweeked ever so slightly too. Center stand not an issue, for all I know that got taken off thirty years ago and is on someones bike who is reading this. Beautifying the original exhaust as we speak then off to ACE to buy some stuff to attempt a DIY baffle of my own. Actually I'm glad I'm doing this, always thought I could use a tad more restriction, bike pops pretty good occasionally during deceleration. Maybe restriction is the problem, maybe not, but I get psyched about fabricating anything so trying this first. I'll post some before and after pics if it turns out well. If not you will not hear from me again on this topic.
 
that's interesting, as my bike is indeed a '79 and the choke knob is up by the handlebars BUT it has VM carbs. Who knows what has been swapped around with bikes this old though.
 
that's interesting, as my bike is indeed a '79 and the choke knob is up by the handlebars BUT it has VM carbs. Who knows what has been swapped around with bikes this old though.

Mine was built 11/79 and has (or had) all the parts for an '80. But when I was into the wiring during the first resto-mod, it seemed to be some kind of mix between the two years, according to the diagrams.

It wouldn't be a surprise to see a mix of some parts during model year changeovers, even when they were new. And yes, now you add in 35+ years of owners' repairs and modifications.......
 
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