81 850 g

[ron bayless]

bridge to nowhere

bridge to nowhere

I looked at this wire,it was under left post of solenoid as seen in the picture.I followed it, its about 12 ga black.It went along the frame under the bottom of tank and up near the orange white and orange wire he had cut.I suppose he was going to tie it to them.No way a wire that big would have belonged up front.I think its the ground wire for the solenoid.I was thinking about grounding it to the frame.There isnt enough room on the negative battery post to squeeze it under there.Also you see the other blue connector, it has the yellow with green stripe that the other end up by the forks he had cut when he cut the o/w wires.There is no way in the world this bike could start and or run the way he jacked it up. IMG_20130915_105222.jpg (40.9 KB)

 

[Steve]

I tried 3 times to pm you.It didnt work for some reason.

Funny, I got three PMs. :-k

.

 

[ron bayless]

Ok.Sorry.Under the sent column It doesnt show anything was sent.This black wire hanging down is about 10 ga, about 18 inches long,braided wire,goes to nowhere.I cant imagine what to do with it, but he had it under one of the large posts of the solenoid.I will probably ground it to the frame.

 

[JayWB]

If it is attached to one of the solenoid's large terminals it isn't a ground, it's battery voltage, and grounding it will get pretty exciting pretty fast.

It might be the power for the coil relay modification, depending on which side of the solenoid it's on.

 

[ron bayless]

If it is attached to one of the solenoid's large terminals it isn't a ground, it's battery voltage, and grounding it will get pretty exciting pretty fast.

It might be the power for the coil relay modification, depending on which side of the solenoid it's on.

See,one of the problems is someone put the solenoid on in the first place.its an automotive solenoid.it has 2 small terminals instead of 1.The right side as you look at it has the red wire to the ignitor and another from that post up to the positive terminal of the battery.The big post.The small post on the right side has the yellow with green stripe under it, which originated back at the right handlebar switch.The left big post has a wire connected directly to the starter as it should.My thinking is this, the guy took the ignitor loose and has it hanging by a zip tie.he used a car solenoid.The ones in the garden tractor section at lowes have one small terminal and 2 big posts as the bike one probably had.he had one small post with no idea what to do with it, so he hooked another black wire with its end stripped to hook to whatever he had in mind. The appropriate wire to the starter is under the left big post. Left is as you face the bike on the shifter side, with left being toward the front of the bike and right being toward the tailight.Therefore, I think i can just take it off completely, it serves no purpose as i can tell.

 

[JayWB]

If I have deciphered your post correctly you have a four post automotive solenoid, two large and two small posts.

One large post is connected to the battery positive and also supplies power to the igniter.

The other large post goes to the starter and also has your black mystery wire connected to it.

One small post has a wire going up to your starter button.

If this is correct grounding your mystery wire would be a mistake and would result in a direct battery to ground short when you hit the starter button.

 

[ron bayless]

If I have deciphered your post correctly you have a four post automotive solenoid, two large and two small posts.

One large post is connected to the battery positive and also supplies power to the igniter.

The other large post goes to the starter and also has your black mystery wire connected to it.No, the mystery wire is not under the large post, it is under the small post, which the bike solenoid would never have had.

One small post has a wire going up to your starter button.

If this is correct grounding your mystery wire would be a mistake and would result in a direct battery to ground short when you hit the starter button.

Sounds perfectly right to me.I think the small post with the mystery wire needs to have the mystery wire removed and leave the post unused.All the other wires you spoke of are as you wrote.I appreciate your input.

 

[Steve]

Ok.Sorry.Under the sent column It doesnt show anything was sent.

If you go into the User CP tab, then to Settings and Options, then look over on the right side, go to the Messaging and Notification section, Private Messaging sub-section. You will see an option to "Save a copy of sent messages in my Sent Items folder by default." To me, this should be a forum default and would have to be dis-abled, rather than enabled.

Sounds perfectly right to me.I think the small post with the mystery wire needs to have the mystery wire removed and leave the post unused.

Try that, it might work and it might not. You might need to ground that second small terminal.

.

 

[JayWB]

"The other large post goes to the starter and also has your black mystery wire connected to it. No, the mystery wire is not under the large post, it is under the small post, which the bike solenoid would never have had."


In this case, the wire in question is either to provide power to operate the solenoid or to provide a ground for it.

If the wire to the starter button provides 12 volts with the button depressed the solenoid will need a ground to complete the circuit, and that ground would be your mystery wire. If the starter button GROUNDS the solenoid, the mystery wire provides the 12 volts to power it.

Check the starter button wire with a voltmeter with the button depressed. If it goes to 12 volts, ground the mystery wire. If it stays at 0 volts attach the mystery wire to the large post with the battery wire.


EDIT: since the starter button will only actually do anything under the circumstances necessary to actually start the motor, when doing the above test you have to also:
1. have the key turned on.
2. have the kill switch in the "RUN" position
3. pull the clutch in

 

[ron bayless]

"The other large post goes to the starter and also has your black mystery wire connected to it. No, the mystery wire is not under the large post, it is under the small post, which the bike solenoid would never have had."


In this case, the wire in question is either to provide power to operate the solenoid or to provide a ground for it.

If the wire to the starter button provides 12 volts with the button depressed the solenoid will need a ground to complete the circuit, and that ground would be your mystery wire. If the starter button GROUNDS the solenoid, the mystery wire provides the 12 volts to power it.

Check the starter button wire with a voltmeter with the button depressed. If it goes to 12 volts, ground the mystery wire. If it stays at 0 volts attach the mystery wire to the large post with the battery wire.


EDIT: since the starter button will only actually do anything under the circumstances necessary to actually start the motor, when doing the above test you have to also:
1. have the key turned on.
2. have the kill switch in the "RUN" position
3. pull the clutch in

OK Jay.Will do.Thanks.

 

[ron bayless]

Just got my ignition switch back,put it in.When the dash lights come on, that is considered on with the ignition right? And one more turn to the right is what? Fork lock? The igniter is still not hooked up,waiting on screws to come in the mail.I have the bike in neutral,clutch pulled in.The orange white and orange wires I talked about before I have tried in both of the only 2 possible positions.I am thinking the mystery wire I spoke of might be the culprit, but going across the small posts did nothing.I am going to try the big posts next.I am going to go to lowes, the garden tractor solenoid has 1 small post as it should on the bike.If i reconnect the mystery wire, I suppose I could ground it somewhere and see what happens.I would rather change solenoids.If the igniter isnt connected I know there will be no spark, but that shouldnt interfere with the solenoid and starter turning over correct? Answers appreciated.

 

[rustybronco]

And one more turn to the right is what? Fork lock?

I suggest you turn the key then see if the forks will turn.

 

[ron bayless]

They turn.I put a jumper across the big posts of the solenoid.The bike turns over, so at least the starter circuit works.The lock man thought it was a park setting.I dont see a lock on the bike.The key turns all the way to the left and or the right,not sure why.maybe one of them was for parking lights.Now I know the solenoid is not working,presumably because the extra wire it had that isnt connected.If this is a repost I am sorry.I will go to lowes and get another solenoid.

 

[rustybronco]

Then you've answered your own question.

 

[ron bayless]

Then you've answered your own question.

I tried grounding the extra wire.doesnt work.I will get the solenoid to take that out of the equation.If I answered my own question that's good,didnt know I had.I was just theorizing.

 

[rustybronco]

This is the question I quoted,

And one more turn to the right is what? Fork lock?

it had nothing to do with wiring or grounding your starter solenoid.

If I answered my own question that's good,didnt know I had.

If you had just turned your ignition switch and then tried turning the handle bars, it would have answered your question instead of having to ask someone.

Teach a man to fish...

 

[ron bayless]

This is the question I quoted, it had nothing to do with wiring or grounding your starter solenoid.

If you had just turned your ignition switch and then tried turning the handle bars, it would have answered your question instead of having to ask someone.

Teach a man to fish...

I dont appreciate your remark.It is i privilege to ask questions here.Up until now no one has gotten annoyed by me asking a question.If I was able to figure something out I wouldnt ask the question.

 

[rustybronco]

My comment was intended to help 'you' think your way through your problems. It was not critical in any way.

Again, give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and you've helped him for a lifetime.

 

[ron bayless]

My comment was intended to help 'you' think your way through your problems. It was not critical in any way.

Again, give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and you've helped him for a lifetime.

Ok, I can accept that one.

 

[Steve]

Now, to give you your fish for the day:

Starting in the far left position, the ignition key is in the LOCK position. That will lock the forks at either extreme.

The second position is OFF. That is where you will normally leave it when you turn the bike off.

The third position is ON or RUN. That is where it needs to be to ride the bike.

The fourth position is PARK. It will also lock the forks, but will turn on the tail light, too. This is considered a "safety" thing, but will run down the battery in less than an hour.

Looking at the electrical connections in these key positions, in the LOCK and OFF positions, nothing is connected.

In the ON position, the red and orange wires are connected, and the gray and brown wires are connected.

In the PARK position, the red and brown wires are connected.

Now go get your own rod, reel and bait.

.