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Last year I picked up a GS750 that had been sitting for about eight years. It had electrical problems, but the previous owner (who was giving me the bike for free, so had no reason to lie) said the engine ran great, but the battery wouldn't charge and he'd lose spark occasionally, so he parked it. The first compression check I did showed 90-100 psi across the board in all cylinders. The engine was cold, the rings were rusty, and it'd been a long time since the crank had seen anything over 10 rpms. It didn't worry me a bit. Once I got the bike running, I didn't worry about compression, because everything was running fine.

After seeing this thread, I checked compression on cylinders 1 and 4 last night for giggles. Both were at 140-145 cold. That reading would probably be 10-15 lbs higher hot.

I know that everybody reads the 128 psi minimum compression then rebuild thing in the manual, and then they flip out when a new bike doesn't make it there. Truth is it may never get there, but usually after running for a while, breaking the rings free and getting them reseated into the cylinders, they usually do.

Your bike has a lot of other issues that are easier and much cheaper to address than a top end rebuild to raise compression. That may or may not fix itself once you get the bike running, but the bike won't run without sorting out carbs and ignition first.

There's no point sending the dog into the foxhole if the fox ain't there.
 
Getting shocked ? First thing - Check the engine ground cables, Check the wiring for the points, Replace the point condensers, (check the little insulator washers on the points) Replace the points if needed.
Then go on to the carbs
 
But...since that can't possibly be the problem...

I never said the valves couldn't be the problem. I said it isn't likely because a wet test wouldn't have shown such a considerable jump in compression. And don't assume I wont be checking the valves. I'm more concerned with the constant power to the plugs.
 
...and I'll point out that reasons #3~6 are also valid. I'll likely end up rebuilding this engine because I want to and little else.
 
I never said the valves couldn't be the problem. I said it isn't likely because a wet test wouldn't have shown such a considerable jump in compression. And don't assume I wont be checking the valves. I'm more concerned with the constant power to the plugs.
Ok...so start there! Find out WHY its not getting power to 1and4. There's a reason for it, and none of us can tell you what it is since none of us are there. Everyone here has responded with S.O.P of getting one of these GSs running CORRECTLY, especially one that has been sitting forever. 30 year old machine...SO? I have MANY 30 or nearly 30 year old bikes sitting around here, not one of them NEEDED the top end rebuilt. (ok i admit i have a 750 8v motor as a spare thats burning a lil oil, but it still ran like a bat out of hell when it was in the bike i had it in, and I have a 16v 750 motor that needs a top end, but it was a POS when it left the factory in 80 :P ) Find your spark issue, fix it. And while you're at it, check your charging system. At LEAST check the valves, you're a fool not to. They need checked every 3k miles, anyway. If the motor turns over and you see NO BLUE SMOKE, and the valves arent burnt from neglect, and are adjusted, you do NOT need a top end rebuild. After you check your valves, clean your carbs, assure there are NO air leaks in the airbox and intake boots. Check that the head bolts are torqued down per spec. Then you should be golden. Refusing to do these things, you might as well park it back out in the yard with a for sale sign on it, or maybe it DOES make a nice lawn ornament...
 
I never said the valves couldn't be the problem. I said it isn't likely because a wet test wouldn't have shown such a considerable jump in compression. And don't assume I wont be checking the valves. I'm more concerned with the constant power to the plugs.

If the rings are bad, a wet test will increase compression 50 psi or more, unless the cylinder is so badly scored all the oil immediately flows down around the rings. That certainly isn't the case, because you have around 100 psi or so compression to begin with.

10-20 psi isn't jack. You'll find cold compression tests will vary by 10 psi from day to day on the same cylinder just because of different ambient conditions.
 
Ok...so start there! Find out WHY its not getting power to 1and4.
Ahhh...but it is getting power to 1&4...
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it's getting strong spark on all four plugs in correct time.


The constant sparking is puzzling, though.
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The coil only produces a spark when the magnetic field collapses, and that happens when current is interrupted (the points open). Once the field is collapsed, it has to build up again with current flow, then get inerrupted before it will spark again.
 
Ahhh...but it is getting power to 1&4...
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The constant sparking is puzzling, though.
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The coil only produces a spark when the magnetic field collapses, and that happens when current is interrupted (the points open). Once the field is collapsed, it has to build up again with current flow, then get inerrupted before it will spark again.

Maybe the points and condensor system is poop? maybe the coil is poop? Maybe the plugs and wires are poop? Wont know untill you TEST..roit boys?
 
me-ow. testy group, eh? really, though, these guys know their stuff....and want to help. figure out that electrical prob first. then clean/seal those carbs. and check the valves. all the standard stuff. that is, if you want to get it running before you tear into the rebuild. wish i could be more help, but i gotta shop for another bike for my wife....

greg
 
The constant sparking is puzzling, though.
Very rough points or rough points just touching.
or points that are open and a condenser that is grounding intermittently
 
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what would you rather do?

rebuild the top end and spend several hundred dollars only to find out that it still wont start when you re-assemble it

or

find out the problems of the constant spark, check the valves, and get it to run?


personally, i would choose the second choice.









btw: welcome to the forums! (my smilies dont seem to be smiling):smile::smile::smile::smile:
 
File your points then reset them.
And when you say bell mouth, do you mean there is no airbox? Just snorkels?
If you don't have an airbox or pods, something to provide resistance to the air, it probably won't start without a lot of help.
So now I am guessing that you just have velocity stacks (snorkels to me) and if you cover it with your hand, it gets covered with gas, right?
If you set the petcock to prime, does fuel come out of the jets or the overflow?
I am curious about your points and the status of your floats-petcock-airbox setup.
 
haven't checked points yet...first thing in the a.m. The bike has a Dyna III digital ignition system...I've been going over the installation manual to make sure the thing has been installed correctly. There's a lot of screwy solder points and some wires have been splice and joined that just don't look like they should be.

Siezed rings was the brunt of the no-run issue. Soaking over night in atf helped. She fired up with minimal effort today, but is not running well as of yet.
 
Siezed rings was the brunt of the no-run issue. Soaking over night in atf helped. She fired up with minimal effort today, but is not running well as of yet.

You are still going to rebuild it, I hope. Reasons 2 through 6 are still valid.
 
well the points are in pretty bad shape...where ever they are. The dyna ignition system replaced them.
 
The dyna ignition system replaced them.
Oooohhh ...
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DYNA.

This seems to be first mention of non-stock ignition.
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Might try to contact Dyna to see if there are some troubleshooting procedures for the system.

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I guess I will reask about the airbox, Do you have one? Do you have pods? Do you have velocity stacks?
That will affect how it starts, check the valves like directed and that could stop the blow back.
 
sorry clone...airbox is not on the bike and yeah, it does effect how it starts. I have to choke the air off...I'll address this later when my pods and jets come in.

I finally got her to start up and run, though rough. She's not firing on the #1 and #4. I'm trying to figure that one out. I think she'll even idle after I get that sorted.
 
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