any catalyst inside 99-07 bandit 1200 exhaust can

[Addy Leung]

Hope someone can help - I need a exhaust can have catalysis inside?
Dose anyone know that any catalyst inside 99-07 bandit 1200 exhaust can?

 

[Mark M]

Addy,

What are you planning on doing with it? You can't just install a catalyst exhaust on your GS and expect it to work, if that is what you are planning.

Mark

 

[Nessism]

Pretty good article on motorcycle emissions standards can be found here http://www.bikersrights.com/epa/EPA_emmissionsHistory.html

In a nut shell, standards tightened in 2004 and again in 2008. Most new bikes require a catalyst now. To answer your question, don't think the Bandit had one from 99 - 07, although if they did, it was most likely the last year.

 

[Addy Leung]

thanks for great information.
I have problem with my just bought GS1150 from US. It has a GS1100 based engine with 1150 head.
Before I can get a license for it, I need it to pass an emission test and the test standard up to a Euro II standard.
I have an exhaust can of a GSF1200 (did not know which year and it do not have any words marked on it about a catalyst installed inside it.) I want to try install it to the GS1150 to go through the test.
If GSF1200 do not have a catalyst, I will find a can from 2008 GSF1250.

The motor have 1166 kit (18mm pin) Web cams (.348 lift), a stock GS1150 carbs and stock 1150 head, and I would install the MSD-MC-3 to help the ignition.
Do you think this set up would pass the Euro II standard without a catalyst exhaust can? Or even I have a catalyst exhaust can from GSF1250, I still can not pass the test?

 

[tone]

No cat in a 99 or 2001 bandit exhaust can ! thats a definate ! :-D
i dont think theres one in the later models either but i'm not 100% sure,

where in the world are you ? the reason i ask is because i'm in the uk & the emissions & noise tests are lower (louder:-D) for older bikes here \\/

 

[Addy Leung]

Here is the mixed culture - Hong Kong ( half UK and half China)

 

[litshoot]

for passing emissions i've heard putting a little rubbing alcohol in the tank will work. i've seen cars in the us pass without cats using this method. they use i liter for like 10 gallons and right after testing fill the tank with good fuel. just might work. i doubt they check fuel samples.

 

[earlfor]

There is no cat in a 2003 Bandit can either. Dont know about later years.

Earl

No cat in a 99 or 2001 bandit exhaust can ! thats a definate ! :-D
i dont think theres one in the later models either but i'm not 100% sure,

where in the world are you ? the reason i ask is because i'm in the uk & the emissions & noise tests are lower (louder:-D) for older bikes here \\/

 

[Mark M]

Do you think this set up would pass the Euro II standard without a catalyst exhaust can? Or even I have a catalyst exhaust can from GSF1250, I still can not pass the test?

Probably not. Your carburation is not going to be spot on like fuel injection and the rich mixture will likely kill the cat in short order. Cats need very accurate mixture control to work properly and there is no way a carb will make it and keep the bike driveable.

If all you want to do is put the pipe on, pass the test and then pull the pipe, it MIGHT work OK for that. But I would plan on buying 2 exhaust systems, one to destroy testing at home and one to use for your emissions test. Catalysts are VERY sensitive to mixture levels and contamination, and die easily when something isn't quite right. I smoked a cat in my last car from a 45km drive home with the ignition not working properly. It was running rich and killed the cat in only 1/2 hour or less of driving time. YMMV.

Do they not have some sort of grandfather clause for older vehicles? It seems to me that requiring new emissions levels from older vehicles will take a huge number of perfectly good vehicles off the road. Even California only requires that a vehicle meet the emissions requirements in place the year the vehicle was manufactured. Or, at least they used to, maybe that has changed.

Mark

 

[litshoot]

i just confirmed with a friend, run the bike down to about a quarter tank or a little less, pour about half a bottle in and run it. alchol burns cleaner and should pass, just make sure that as soon as your done testing to drain the tank or at least dilute it.

 

[Steve]

Even California only requires that a vehicle meet the emissions requirements in place the year the vehicle was manufactured. Or, at least they used to, maybe that has changed.

It has been many years since I concerned myself with this question, but at the time I looked into it, if you mixed years, like putting a '93 engine into an '82 frame, the bike had to meet the standards of the newer item, therefore had to meet '93 standards. Conversely, if you put an '82 engine into a '93 frame, it still had to meet '93 standards.


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[TheCafeKid]

I had an Isuzu (sp) pickup truck. Fantastic running lil pickup that would not pass emissions because the body was a year newer than the motor that was in it. I eventually had to sell it because of this, as no where i took it said they could make it pass. Shame.

 

[Addy Leung]

We here have a classic vehicle clause. If the vehicle is at or over 20 years old and the engine is the original engine from the date of made ( match pair of the frame and engine) and it is using gasoline as fuel, it will entitle as a classic vehicle and do not need to pass any emission and noise test.
However, my bike is mixed with an 83 1100 engine case and the 1150 frame. So I can not enjoy the classic bike clause.

Yes, my plan using the cat ex-can (2008 GSF1250) is only for the testing. But I just informed from the local environmental department that I still need to use the original exhaust pipe to go through the testing.
What do I feel the 1150 now is much better than my 1100. The engine combustion is more tight and more quiet and steady at idle.

I will try to pay HK$2000 for one test with the original pipe with the stock air box plus the MSD MC-3 ignition help. Hope I can still pass it.

Do anyone have the idea of what size main jet I should use?
The standard size of 1150 is 120 and gs1100 is 107.
Now My bike is weisco 1168 kit with Web (0.348) cam and gs1150 head.

 

[Junkie]

Probably not. Your carburation is not going to be spot on like fuel injection and the rich mixture will likely kill the cat in short order. Cats need very accurate mixture control to work properly and there is no way a carb will make it and keep the bike driveable.

If all you want to do is put the pipe on, pass the test and then pull the pipe, it MIGHT work OK for that. But I would plan on buying 2 exhaust systems, one to destroy testing at home and one to use for your emissions test. Catalysts are VERY sensitive to mixture levels and contamination, and die easily when something isn't quite right. I smoked a cat in my last car from a 45km drive home with the ignition not working properly. It was running rich and killed the cat in only 1/2 hour or less of driving time. YMMV.

Do they not have some sort of grandfather clause for older vehicles? It seems to me that requiring new emissions levels from older vehicles will take a huge number of perfectly good vehicles off the road. Even California only requires that a vehicle meet the emissions requirements in place the year the vehicle was manufactured. Or, at least they used to, maybe that has changed.

Mark

The 08 Ninja 250 has carbs and a cat, I wonder how it manages

 

[Nessism]

The 08 Ninja 250 has carbs and a cat, I wonder how it manages

Don't understand?

Your bike has a catalyst so it will meet emission standards. The carbs are tuned to work in conjunction with the cat; in many cases the engine must be run somewhat rich to get the cat to properly light off. Somewhat counter intuitive but that's how it is.

 

[Junkie]

Don't understand?

Your bike has a catalyst so it will meet emission standards. The carbs are tuned to work in conjunction with the cat; in many cases the engine must be run somewhat rich to get the cat to properly light off. Somewhat counter intuitive but that's how it is.

Actually, I don't have an '08 EX250 - I had an 89, but not anymore. Not "my bike". Also, what you said contradicts what he said - I'm not sure who's right, but it can't be both of you.

Probably not. Your carburation is not going to be spot on like fuel injection and the rich mixture will likely kill the cat in short order. Cats need very accurate mixture control to work properly and there is no way a carb will make it and keep the bike driveable.

 

[Mark M]

Actually, I don't have an '08 EX250 - I had an 89, but not anymore. Not "my bike". Also, what you said contradicts what he said - I'm not sure who's right, but it can't be both of you.

That may be for a cold start. One of the biggest problems faced by car makers is the initial start of the EPA test. The test starts cold and then immediately starts driving. This means that much of the emissions produced occur right at the start before the engine and exhaust system have come up to temp and the catalyst has fired off. Auto makers have been investigating electric heaters and other ways to bring the cat up to temp faster to help with the cold start problem.

Once warm and operating, a rich mixture will kill a cat much faster than a stroichiometric or lean mixture. I would expect a bike with carbs and a cat to either have a fairly short cat life or very lean jetting that compromises drivability. Emissions are the major reason that cars are fuel injected today. As bikes need to meet lower emissions standards, EFI will become the standard there as well. It is getting close, we will probably be there in the next 5 years or so.

Mark

 

[Addy Leung]

As bikes need to meet lower emissions standards, EFI will become the standard there as well. It is getting close, we will probably be there in the next 5 years or so.

Quoted by Mark



Yes, all the new big bike of suzuki in 2008 are EFI. like the 2007 bandit 1200, now it is 1250 with EFI.

What other things to do on the bike with carbs will help in passing these testing? especially our old bike.

 

[rkubik]

catalyst thiefs

catalyst thiefs

not much help in your tuning, but a funny story: thives here have now started stealing catalytic converters from car dealers' new vehicles on the lot. I guess they can sell the platinum. It's not for parts resale, as they just cut them out with now no concern for rebolting in.

Andy, I have a hunch you and I better start saving for new emissions-complaint bikes, put the old 'uns out for parts.

 

[Junkie]

That may be for a cold start. One of the biggest problems faced by car makers is the initial start of the EPA test. The test starts cold and then immediately starts driving. This means that much of the emissions produced occur right at the start before the engine and exhaust system have come up to temp and the catalyst has fired off. Auto makers have been investigating electric heaters and other ways to bring the cat up to temp faster to help with the cold start problem.

Once warm and operating, a rich mixture will kill a cat much faster than a stroichiometric or lean mixture. I would expect a bike with carbs and a cat to either have a fairly short cat life or very lean jetting that compromises drivability. Emissions are the major reason that cars are fuel injected today. As bikes need to meet lower emissions standards, EFI will become the standard there as well. It is getting close, we will probably be there in the next 5 years or so.

Mark

even before '08 when there wasn't a cat in the exhaust it was jetted awfully lean from the factory. of course, that's true of just about any bike.

my recollection is that for 08 all US bikes >400cc or so have to be EFI, I don't remember where I read that though.