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Caltric Stator

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I am using one and have installed one on another bike. No problems (yet).
 
I believe they're the stator knocked out on Aliexpress for the GS500 for 50 bucks to your door, kind of deal.
If Caltric are buying them in China by the crate-load, the price to them will be low. Which is some indicator of what the quality is likely to be.
I x-reffed the GS small to mid sized stators and found the GS500 still used that size until very recently (although the GS500 stator is thinner, therefore less current capacity, the use of LED lighting + series reg/reg would address that shortfall).
Pays your money, takes the chance.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/moto..._7&btsid=d5bf8ece-4e9a-4c3a-bfba-182ca175ec8c

And if you REALLY feel like rolling the dice, here's a GS125 / GN125 stator of the same size (ID, OD and thickness) and number of poles, but for less than half the price. Simply cut off the useless ignition pickup, check the mounting holes and stir the pot.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/GN12...tator-Generator-Charging-Coil/1796271087.html
 
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Caltric Stator

I am using one and have installed one on another bike. No problems (yet).

I wonder what the output is especially compared to the Electrex. I have a fair amount of lighting, etc drawing current so like the idea of a bigger current generating device. Wish they had ratings on these things. Everyone selling them will swear that their unit putsout more than the next guy's. :ambivalence:

DH
 
There's a tradeoff here from getting a bit of charging at idle to getting maximum output at 4000 rpm or so. Stock lighting, ignition, etc appears to require about 170 watts to hold steady state. I'd guess the typical stator could produce another 100 watts if needed. Consider opting for LED's to reduce constant stator stress.
 
I put one on the GR650 and it seems great. I also redid the system with a SH-775 tho.....time will tell i suppose I only have it on since last year and plan on keeping the bike.
 
Consider opting for LED's to reduce constant stator stress.

Unless you change the R/R to a series unit (SH-775) replacing standard incandescent lights with LEDs will only stress the stator more. The stator puts out all the power it can all the time. If the system doesn't use it, then any available current not used in a shunt type R/R will simply be dumped back into the stator windings. The result is more heat and a shorter stator life. It why Suzuki created the headlight loop on one of the stator windings. When the headlight was switched off it created an open stator leg to reduce available current.
 
Just wanted to thank all of you who have helped me with this thread and the others I posted regarding Roadkill's charging syste,. I have ordered a new Polaris SH775BA & about to order a Caltric stator. Since you got me to this point, anyone want to buy any of my organs or other body parts to fund this process? Just spent a load on my car, upgrading of the propane system in the house, dental work, need new stove, and wife spent about 3 millino bucks on trees, plants, flowers etc. Now living on cardboard and dehydrated water for awhile.

THANKS!!!!
DH
 
There's a tradeoff here from getting a bit of charging at idle to getting maximum output at 4000 rpm or so. Stock lighting, ignition, etc appears to require about 170 watts to hold steady state. I'd guess the typical stator could produce another 100 watts if needed. Consider opting for LED's to reduce constant stator stress.

Thanks Tom. I have gone to LEDs except for headlight, front running/T.Sig lights on the Windjammer (could not find LEDs that would work & operate properly there) my rear turn signals (well they are just momentary) and the second set of wee little crotch rocket style turns signals in the rear that use wee little bulbs. Of course the instrument/indicator bulbs are what Suzuki put on. I have a lot of lights on the rear but most are LED.

DH
 
So I also need to do something about my own stator on a 1980 850 GSL. Considering the cost of "magnet" wire and hot oil proof, insulating paint, or a cheap replacement stator.

Suzukizone, did you get a stator yet ? Which one ?
 
[h=1]Suzuki GS1100G - 1982 - Stator[/h]
SKU# ST231
Replaces:
Suzuki: 31401-49410, 31401-49420
Availability: In stock
$45.00




Suzuki GS1100G - 1982 - Stator
 
So I also need to do something about my own stator on a 1980 850 GSL. Considering the cost of "magnet" wire and hot oil proof, insulating paint, or a cheap replacement stator.

Suzukizone, did you get a stator yet ? Which one ?


Yes, I finished the job yesterday & put about 5 miles on for quick test ride. I got it from Caltric on an eBay motors offer. It was $50/free S&H, but there are some posts for $45 so on this link. You can ask them.

I made sure I put in an SH775 R/R, brand new. Also from eBay offer. That was $90 w/S&H from a Polaris dealer. ( LOUIS Powersports- VERY slow to get it out tho it was stated in their offering. I guess they don't stock them but order them in if they get a bite.)

I had to add a few inches of extra wire to get the yellow stator leads to reach the R/R & had to add female spade ends to fit on the R/R. I had previously made an adapter on the bottom of the battery box to accept a previous Honda R/R as the holes did not match up to those for the stock Suzuki R/R. Since I enjoy that kind of puttering, it was no big deal to me but the word here is, it ain't gonna jump on so allow time & have necessary resources ready when you start.

The Caltric/SH775 combo is, at this moment, working well with nice charging levels at all RPMs except idle but I have a lot of attention getting lights on Roadkill. She looks like one of the alien craft from Close Encounters, which is what I actually hope to avoid. Once engine hits about 1500 RPM, my indicator shows I'm getting about 13.5 v in the system.

Can't endorse the Caltric simply as to the fact that it just went on. Others on GSR seem to have stated they have held up.

Hope that is some help.

DH
 
Thanks for the info. Now I know where to go if the one I rewound, dies. Impatient as always, I did not want to wait for shipping.

I tired 17 AWG high-heat ceramic coated wire. Cost me $5 from a local rewiind shop that had a couple of remnant spools they were happy to unload. I have to say, 17 AWG is too big. What came off is smaller. A can of "Spray-on" brand insulating varnish which seems just like the real thing "Glyptal" (but at 1/4 the price) cost me about $7 and change at Grainger's. They allow local pickup to the general public now. Yay ! The Grainger's store-front/warehouse was about a block form the rewinder. How convenient.

I stuffed as many winds as I could onto all the poles and put it onto the bike. Didn't think to measure ohms before soldering the three windings together. Combined I get 0.4 ohms on two pairs and 0.5 ohms on the third pair. Not sure how that could be but it is what it is. Running, I got 40 volts AC across the board. Battery voltage definitely went up from above 12 V at idle to a little less than 15. El-cheapo Radio Shack multi-meter does not provide much detail.

Smelled something plastic-burning-like after 25 minutes of riding and then the right side turn signal stopped flashing. I thought maybe it was the insulating varnish heating up. It was still tacky from being applied the night before, when I installed the stator. That was my 1st indication I needed to do something the other day when the battery stopped charging in the first place ... right side turn signal not flashing. U-turned and went home dismayed. Turn signal started working again.

At home, I tried a better (Fluke) multimeter and it told me about the same story as the l el-cheapo. Above 12 V at idle and under 15 revving. I taped a 3rd multi-meter, another el-cheapo freebie from Harbor Freight, to the gas tank so I could monitor the voltage. Everything was absolutely fine all the way to work and back. About 85 miles round trip.

I'll leave the meter taped to the gas tank for a week or so. For what it's worth I did NOT do a very neat job winding the poles. The first layer of each pole went on ok but it all started to get more and more impossible as I finished the first entire set of 6 poles and started on the second. Doing the third set of 6 poles, it was almost impossible to get a complete first layer. 2nd layer was even less turns and the 3rd layer ... fuggedaboudi'. A real mess.

Maybe 30 turns on the first set of poles. Less on the second set and even less on the 3rd. Maybe about 20 turns. Frankly, I was amazed at what I got for the AC readings, to be so closely matched ... but then again I was using an el-cheapo multimeter.

It all started a few weeks ago. The idle was deteriorating and I didn't notice at first but the headlight was getting dimmer and dimmer. At night it was very noticeable but I didn't think anything of it, in particular. The bike started and ran and got me where I needed to go. Finally, the other day, I had to push start it. The battery was all but dead.

Turns out, the seat pan has rusted at the rubber support pad underneath. The pan had dropped enough to rest on the wires going to the rear lights. It was causing an intermittant ground I believe as I see evidence on the bottom of the metal seat pan. I rerouted those wires but it was too late.

Long story short : I wasn't sure the wires should not go over the frame at that point but ignored it. I also ignored all the symptoms until it was too late and the stator fried. Now I have paid (partially at least) the piper. I'm thankful the Rectifier/Regulator still seems to be working ok.

If my rewind fails I'll post it on here so everyone can tell me you told me so. Next time I may try two very thin wires to make it easy to wind and get all 41 turns, as it was originally. The guy at the rewind place where I bought the wire told me to write down all the data as I unwind and so I did, if anyone is interested in what a 1980 GS850L (T model) had for a stator winding layout. Apparently there are a bunch of different ways these stators have been wound at the factory, through the various years and models.

The last four poles I unwound are where the wires come in and go out. It seems this is the spot that requires careful attention when unwinding and rewinding. Each or these four poles are wound slightly different than all the rest. Apparently to accommodate where the wire ends terminate. The finished product was so ugly I decided to not insult this forum with a photograph of it. In fact, I didn't take any. I just wanted to get it into the bike to see that it would not work and then I would have no choice but to buy one. Turned out I maybe got lucky ... once again.

stator core.jpg
 
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hey guys. I actually need a stator and found the Caltric one but, how are you guys differentiating the wires? isnt one a hot, neg and, grd? the caltrics arent color coded.
 
The three wires coming from the stator are not specific. They're three legs that are from the three phases and are completely interchangeable. That's why most come with all three wires the same color.
 
And i thank you sir. I had assumed such as there should only be output. but you never know.
 
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