Carb sync tool

[rockhammer]

Hello

Can I buy a carb sync tool that sycs two carbs at once and get away with it working or do I have to do all four at the same time?

Thank you.

 

[Steve]

There are some that claim that you can, but once you see all four at once and how each adjustment affects all the others, you will insist on having the proper tool.

The current favorite is the Morgan Carbtune. It comes from England, so the price varies with the exchange rate. Today's price is $107.43.

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[spyug]

I'm not sure what you are asking. Tools like the Morgan Carbtune have 4 columns so you can do up to 4 carbs. You can attach only 2 tubes to synch one pair of carbs if that is what you are asking.

When doing 4 carbs you synch #1 to #2 then #3to #4 then the first pair to the second.

Hope that helps.

 

[rockhammer]

What do you guys think about this one. I will only need it rarely. I not work on motorcycles daily.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Vacuum-..._Automotive_Tools&hash=item5af2d69280&vxp=mtr

 

[cableguy]

I think he's asking if a twin cylinder sync tool can be used on a 4 cyl bike, synching one pair, then the other pair. Like Steve said, I don't know how you would be sure that the pairs are synched to each other. My advice is get the right tool for the job.

 

[JTGS850GL]

Never had good luck with cheap dial gauges. They're always a little differant and require constant verification to make sure all the dials react the same. I picked up a Morgan Carbtune and love the way it works. What ever you do, I'd go with a true 4 channel model since the bouncing back and fourth plugging and unplugging will take MUCH longer and create errors that are not easily seen since one carb adjustment effects the others.

Get the right tool for the job. Even if you only use it a couple times a year, it will still pay off on providing you with a better tune. In the end, if you buy the Morgan, you can always sell it and recoupe most of what you paid for it since they keep their value and are harder to come by.

Steve: That $107.43 doesn't include shipping. I found a similar deal at:

http://www.beemerboneyard.com/carbtune4col.html

When you factor in shipping it comes out a little cheaper and you don't have to deal with customs hastles and delays since they keep them in stock in the USA. Received mine 4 days after ordering and that included the weekend since I ordered it on a Friday.

 

[rockhammer]

I picked up a less expensive 4 gauge. I think straight from Morgan with shipping is 100 to the US>

 

[JTGS850GL]

Nope, more then $100 for sure when you include shipping.

 

[Brendan W]

The current favorite is the Morgan Carbtune. It comes from England,
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Ahem! I'm going to get all territorial now and say it comes from Ireland , well Belfast which is the UK but still Ireland. I bought the old mercury type from Sean Morgan back in the early eighties and even when I sold the bikes ( children) I hung on to it and now it's back, resurrected for the 850.

 

[SVSooke]

Ahem! I'm going to get all territorial now and say it comes from Ireland , well Belfast which is the UK but still Ireland. I bought the old mercury type from Sean Morgan back in the early eighties and even when I sold the bikes ( children) I hung on to it and now it's back, resurrected for the 850.

I did notice that looking at the Morgan website.The wife's getting me a Carbtune for Christmas.Get to retire the old Pro Motion mercury sticks:dancing:Going to order it from Ireland as getting it from the US would be more $$ for shipping,does that sound stupid to anyone else?

 

[Big T]

I picked up a less expensive 4 gauge. I think straight from Morgan with shipping is 100 to the US>

You need to calibrate those to a known source every time you use them

 

[JTGS850GL]

Agreed!

Like said... Cheap dial gauges are not very accurate and will create more issues then they're worth.

 

[JEEPRUSTY]

mY BIKE ONLY NEEDS TWO COLUMNS
SO THERE

 

[Steve]

Ahem! I'm going to get all territorial now and say it comes from Ireland , well Belfast which is the UK but still Ireland.

OK, my bad. I never paid any attention to their address, I only know that they deal in Great British Pounds, so I assumed "England".

I bought the old mercury type from Sean Morgan back in the early eighties and even when I sold the bikes ( children) I hung on to it and now it's back, resurrected for the 850.

I bought a set of "mercury sticks" back about 1980 to sync the carbs on my KZ1300. Yeah, it's a six-cylinder bike, but it has three two-barrel carbs, like the '83-and-up GS550. That is still the gauge that I use today. When it dies, I will get a Carbtune.

Steve: That $107.43 doesn't include shipping.

OK, I wil admit that I went through the site rather quickly last night. Let's go back and do some copying and pasting from Carbtune.com:

On the home page, I see this:

USA customers

See your special page

The word "See" is a link. Click on it, you will see this on the next page:

Customers from USA
Every day we send Carbtunes to the USA. Have a look at the testimonials to see how many come from happy customers in the US.
Our business is based in the UK so all prices are in ? sterling or British pounds. The total cost delivered airmail for the 4-col Carbtune is ?60 British pounds. (?57 + ?3 airmail USA) That's about $US100. That's the total price delivered airmail to your postal address.
If you want the toolpouch as well it's only ?7 extra (separate price ?12 pounds) to make the 4-col Carbtune and Toolpouch ?67 delivered. (?64 + ?3 airmail)

Now I will copy part of that and highlight it:

Customers from USA
Our business is based in the UK so all prices are in ? sterling or British pounds.
The total cost delivered airmail for the 4-col Carbtune is ?60 British pounds. (?57 + ?3 airmail USA)
That's about $US100. That's the total price delivered airmail to your postal address.
If you want the toolpouch as well it's only ?7 extra (separate price ?12 pounds)
to make the 4-col Carbtune and Toolpouch ?67 delivered. (?64 + ?3 airmail)

They also provide a link to a currency convertor.
Here is a screen shot of today's cost:

Yesterday, it was $107.43.

Was there something there that I missed?

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[Brendan W]

Going to order it from Ireland as getting it from the US would be more $$ for shipping,does that sound stupid to anyone else?

We could always ship machine parts to Ontario direct from Ireland way cheaper than shipping up the road from our sister plant in Indiana

 

[SVSooke]

That's right Steve,also note that's the price with the pouch to keep all the stuff together.Less that the linked US price for the Carbtune alone.

 

[JTGS850GL]

Steve, there no reason to shout about it. I'm not deaf you know. I guess the price of the Pound had dropped since I last checked into direct buys. I still would rather avoid the delays in shipment and customs issues. Unfortunately I've been experiencing problems with international shipments getting caught up in customs with delays that could take up to several weeks to resolve. If I can support a "local" company and receive my product faster then I would pay a couple extra dollars to do that.

 

[Steve]

Steve, there no reason to shout about it.

There was no shouting. "Shouting" is in ALL CAPS.
I was only emphasizing to show you the parts to which you needed to pay particular attention.

I guess the price of the Pound had dropped since I last checked into direct buys.

That is why I said, way back in post #2: "Today's price is ..." :-\\\

I still would rather avoid the delays in shipment and customs issues.

They do this regularly and via Air Mail, how long can it take?

If there were "customs problems", don't you think that those who have ordered one might have mentioned it as a caution to others? :-k

If I can support a "local" company and receive my product faster then I would pay a couple extra dollars to do that.

I try to support "local", too, but Carbtune apparently does not have 'dealer prices', so the dealers pay the same amount that we do. They don't do this for free because they like us, there will be a markup. :-\\\

And, as Brendan mentioned in post #15, it's cheaper shipping, too. 3 GBP is US$4.80. You can't ship to the next town, let alone half-way around the world that cheaply.

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[JTGS850GL]

One of the reasons that I chose to buy where I did was because of Internet feedback on the BMW forums that verified what I was having issues with (I own a business that needs to ship items from EU and CAN) in terms of customs inconsistencies. Sometimes things come in OK and other times it's tied up while some bozo just sits on the item for weeks. Based on the condition of some of the packages (torn and opened) I say literally sat on. Based on the Pound to US dollar price fluctuations I’d say it a hit or miss in terms of when it’s cheaper to buy from Morgan or buy from a local vendor. Right now you are correct and I’m sorry if I added confusion to this debate. Kind of moot since he ended up buying an inferior dial gauge set off ebay.

All I really intended to do was to point out an alternative to purchasing directly from Morgan in case shipping time is an issue or costs rise. I needed the Carbtune in by a certain time and the link I provided did just that with little markup. Basically the same cost +- a couple dollars as getting it direct from Morgan. No disagreement here… Just another option available.

 

[luvmy40]

I bought my Carbtune direct from Morgan about 7 years ago. IIRC they shipped very quickly and the wait was minimal.