Cleaning again

[Im Faster]

okay.. so i have never cleaned a carb before..

last week i took the carbs off..
bowls off cleaned them and the floats.. sprayed all the holes with starting fluid..

now there is what i thought was the jet..
a large bolt took a 10mm to get it out if i remember.. with a screen on the other end.. i cleaned it and soaked it..

put it all back together.. it helped a LITTLE not enough to get the bike to drive.. but it idled better..

so there off again..

now that i looked again.. there is something else that looks simalar to a jet..

its brass has a flat head slot to unscrew it.. so i took it out.. its soaking now... but i am unable to see through it at this point...

is this a jet?

whet else need cleaned?

 

[Im Faster]

what is this?

 

[gearhead13]

what is this?

That is a pilot jet, it meters the fuel at idle and low speed throttle openings.

 

[Guest]

What kinda bike you working on?
Have you gone through the awesome welcome pages Basscliff gave ya?
There is a killer diller carb cleaning series that will tell ya all you need to know.

Looks like a pilot jet..

 

[gearhead13]

okay.. so i have never cleaned a carb before..

last week i took the carbs off..
bowls off cleaned them and the floats.. sprayed all the holes with starting fluid..

now there is what i thought was the jet..
a large bolt took a 10mm to get it out if i remember.. with a screen on the other end.. i cleaned it and soaked it..

put it all back together.. it helped a LITTLE not enough to get the bike to drive.. but it idled better..

so there off again..

now that i looked again.. there is something else that looks simalar to a jet..

its brass has a flat head slot to unscrew it.. so i took it out.. its soaking now... but i am unable to see through it at this point...

is this a jet?

whet else need cleaned?

The carbs need to be fully taken apart and dipped to be done properly.
Also, order an o-ring kit from Robert Barr he is a member here. After a few decades the numerous o-rings in these carbs deteriorate and leak, compounding your problems.
Put you bike info in your signature so we know what you have.

 

[Im Faster]

its a 83 gs450..

well after soaking and useing a SOFT wire i wasable to open up the jet..
i can finally see through it..

 

[hampshirehog]

That most certainly is a pilot jet. There are no short cuts when cleaning your carbs - thoroughly do everything twice (or else you'll be doing it again.......). Plus check the rubber O rings are soft and not cracked or replace them.

The guide rebuild below is for a 4 carb set up but the carbs are similar to yours and you only have to do half the work.

http://www.thegsresources.com/gs_carbrebuild.htm

 

[Im Faster]

okay.... so put it all back together and it runs and drives.. just took it around the block...

seems to be sluggish on high rpms.. but i dont have a working tach so im not sure
it for sure needs to be ridden and cleaned out some..

i do have a little smoke

 

[Im Faster]

update:

okay took it to walmart...
the bike only goes up to about 35max down hill lol

note..
i have not put a airfilter in(by bro says thats why im having this issue)
the guy i bought it from has a piece of memory foam crammed in there..
my replacement came in today just havent made it there to get it..

 

[Dave8338]

As mentioned, you are likely going to need to pull things COMPLETELY apart to get it right. The air filter is a REAL BIGGY as it pertains to the bike running correctly. Without a filter at all, it will never rung right. Will be WAAAAYYYYYY too lean and just make you mad.

 

[BassCliff]

Greetings and Salutations!!

Greetings and Salutations!!

Hi Mr. Im Faster,

I just stopped by to welcome you to the forum in my own, special way.

And to tell you that your "mega-welcome" contains a couple of maintenance lists of things for you to check, clean, replace, repair, etc, in order for you to have a safe and reliable motorcycle. Please take no shortcuts.

If there's anything you'd like to know about the Suzuki GS model bikes, and most others actually, you've come to the right place. There's a lot of knowledge and experience here in the community. Come on in and let me say "HOoooowwwDY!"....

Here is your very own magical, mystical, mythical, mind-expanding "mega-welcome". Please take notice of the "Top 10 Common Issues", the Carb Rebuild Series, and the Stator Papers. Now let me roll out the welcome mat for you...

Please click here for your mega-welcome, chock full of tips, suggestions, links to vendors, and other information. Then feel free to visit my little BikeCliff website where I've been collecting the wisdom of this generous community. Don't forget, we like pictures! Not you, your bike!

Thanks for joining us. Keep us informed.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[Im Faster]

Air filter in...
Rides now.. but won't idle it stalls every time i stop... abd nweds 1/4 throttle to start

 

[Guest]

The answers you seek can be found hidden in plain sight in posts 4,5,7,10 & 11...

 

[Guest]

Air filter in...
Rides now.. but won't idle it stalls every time i stop... abd nweds 1/4 throttle to start

WEll $hit! Toss it behind the dumpster. Or better yet you can do some reading. Read it twice if you have to, three times..

 

[Larry D]

Spend some time reading this site. Educate yourself some.

And for the love of all things Suzuki

Clean and rebuild the freakin' carbs correctly !!!!!!

All the answers you seek are here....just heed the words of folks who have be there, done that.

 

[Im Faster]

Well I just realized that had more pages lol...

so its still a dirty carb issue you all think ?

 

[koolaid_kid]

Please LMK where you live. I will come over and take it off your hands, do a carb rebuild, and have and excellent town bike. Or do it yourself, your call. Whether you do it, or I do it, a carb rebuild is the only answer. I don't know how the forum can make it any clearer.

 

[Im Faster]

for the love of god i understand that the carbs need cleaned again...

im simply asking if there are any other issues that may be causing this so i can get it all done at once..

 

[Larry D]

for the love of god i understand that the carbs need cleaned again...

im simply asking if there are any other issues that may be causing this so i can get it all done at once..

Maybe....the thing is, you'll never be able to diagnose it or tune it correctly until the carbs are clean, the valves adjusted and the electrical system is checked.

This is why we harp on the "new guys" to properly clean and rebuild the carbs, etc.....these three items set a solid baseline for the remaining work, if there's any required. Normally it's things like sealing the airbox, tuning the idle in, any electrical issues that may arise, suspension, brakes, etc.....

 

[1_v8_merc]

Check your fuel mixture screws.
That what was causing my 650 to stumble and never hold idle below 1600rpms.....actually wouldn't go below 2000 at first.

Checked the tank for rust, cleaned it out.

Did the valves, that helped A TON with my Idle speed.

If you're bike isn't holding idle, it's either a clog in the Pilot Jet(which WAS in that picture you showed us), or there may be a clog elsewhere.

You need to make sure you have the correct foam air filter and apply a thin oil to it. And make sure the airbox is sealed tight(use weatherstripping).

Also make sure the carb boots are TIGHT!
(you're RPM's will hang if you actually have an air leak)

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If you want a possible quick fix, just dissasemble the carbs, spray em out with carb cleaner really good, spray it down ALL of the holes and tubes, then hook up an Air Compressor and spray air down ALL of the same holes/tubes.
Then do it 3 or 4 more times, lol.

(get one of those crappy air-drying trigger nozzles with the hand grip at wal-mart for like $5, it's in the compressor section, they are used to dry cars or engines off at dealerships, they have a small enough point on them.)

Everyone will say that you must dip the carbs, i disagree.
I went thru 4 cans cleaning up my carbs, been riding for 6 months, never had a problem yet. PB Blaster also works good too.