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cranking hard, getting spark, not starting

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I think it's something like that, the guy who I bought it from brought it back from sitting for a while and the date codes on the tires are 2-2.5 years I think - since odds are they sat in a warehouse for a bit, I'd guess right around 2 years old on the battery.
 
Junkie said:
Hmm, should I be able to adjust valves without pulling anything but the gas tank (and valve cover of course)?
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Do you have a service manual for the bike? You should. If not the Suzuki manual, either a Haynes or Clymer will work.

As far as adjusting the valves...click on this link and take a little trip to BassCliff's website and have a gander at his tutorial.
Yeah, it uses his 850 as a guinea pig, but the principle is the same for your bike.


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I've got a full manual, yeah... but it's out in the cold and dark, and I didn't feel like grabbing it.

And that's for an 850, ie an 8 valve - with shims. Mine's a GS700, 16 vales and I'm pretty sure locknuts.
 
Steve said:
It sounds like you have a couple of problems: starter and starting. :shock:

Your starter issue, slow cranking or not cranking, could be dirty contacts or a dirty starter.
Sometimes removing the starter and cleaning the carbon dust out of it will help.

Not starting when cold is a classic symptom of valves needing adjustment, especially the intake valves. They are too tight, which is upsetting compression, preventing the bike from starting. Check the valve clearances, make adjustments as necessary and you will be amazed how easily it starts.

Simon also mentioned the proper drill: full choke (some bikes get by with less) and NO throttle.
Twisiting the grip AT ALL will negate the effect of the enrichener system in the carbs. :shock:


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you were right.

I just pulled off the valve cover and started checking the valves. I haven't checked all of them yet and haven't adjusted any, but all of the ones i have checked have been tighter than .074mm - spec is .09-.13.
 
I hate to say "I told you so", so I'll just politely say..."thanks for checking". 8-[

Also, thanks for letting us know what you found. We expect at least one more post where you say "WOW, I never heard it run so well!!!!" \\:D/


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Yeah, until I realzied that I don't have a 9mm wrench. I got lazy for a while and haven't finished yet, and I'm managing for now with a 9mm socket held in a pair of vicegrips, not quite ideal though.

How much does the adjustment tool cost?


Oh, and the one cam lobe actuating 2 valves thing is really weird compared to what I'm used to.

edit: err crap, I hadn't really looked hard enough. It looks like it's gonna be a bit of a PITA to adjust without the tool, I think I'll manage though.
 
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I use a 9mm socket on a 1/4 inch drive ratchet with a tiny pair of pliers. Works well enough. The tool makes it easy!
Where are you at? I'm in Bako
 
Atascadero. Next time I feel like going for a ride out 58 (probably as soon as I get the new suspension and tires on), I'll shoot you a PM or something.


edit: you know, while it's better than shims this doesn't seem like a very good design to me. both my EX250 and my Integra have valves adjusted in the same basic way, but both of them have a rocker per valve and let you use a screwdriver to adjust it instead of whatever tool is needed for this... I mean, I can do this with my fingers or pliers but it would be nice if I could use a screwdriver. It just makes a lot more sense to me, same with 1 rocker/valve.
 
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101 to blood alley (46) would be quicker. Ride at your own risk though. :-D

Is the bike running?
 
I'm 5/8 done, I have to really crouch over the bike to do it so my back doesn't like a lot of it (I'm gonna have horrible joint pain later in life, I already get it easily and pop a lot at 20...).

And I'd ride 58 to ride 58, not to get to bakersfield. If I really had to get out there quickly I'd at least do 41 -> 46, I'm about 3 blocks from 41.
 
58 is a nice ride though Tehachapi. I was in your neck of the woods a couple of weeks ago for my wifes work.
 
When I first came to CA I took that route to the coast. It took forever and I got buzzed by a jet. I thought my car was blowing up. Would of been VERY fun on a bike.
 
A favorite ride of mine is 41 -> 229 -> 58 -> 33 -> 150 -> 101, it's a decent day's ride. 58 and 229 are right in my backyard, and some of the best roads around...

if you've got some time to watch it, http://lolinter.net/4theriders/video/slo.wmv shows some fairly fast riders on roads around here - single lane with stripes on the edges = 229, 2 lanes = 58, single line with no paint = peachy canyon.
 
Those are some wicked roads. Are they one lane but traffic flows both ways? I think I saw someone flash past about half way into it. If its 2 way traffic it could be very hairy.Be real nice if it were one way. How long is that stretch?

Now you know its not fair to tease us snow bound northeners:-D to make amends you better send an airline ticket with your bike keys attached. Have the bike gassed and ready to go at the airport. I'll bring my lid and leathers.\\:D/

Roll on spring!

cheers,
Spyug.
 
Yep, those are all two way roads. You have to be very careful to not outride your sight distances, and hope that people coming the other way don't outride theirs.

It's about 5.5 miles of 229 that's like that, and of course there are plenty of other fun roads around that. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...120.504227&sspn=0.063748,0.11673&ie=UTF8&z=12 shows the section of 229 I'm talking about - 58 near there (especially just west of 229) is also great.

Road & Track recently did an article called "Four V8s to Creston", which is at the north end of 229. http://lolinter.net/rt.jpg is one of the pictures they put in in, which doesn't seem too safe to me on a public 2 lane road - and I'd be very surprised if it was officially closed when they took that picture.
 
I'm not sure, not my videos and I'm not in any of them - I just host them for the guy, as I've got more webspace than I know what to do with.
 
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