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Head-aches G1000

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psyguy said:
you can advance the timing a little if you're too worried, haynes manual tells you how to do this without any timing tools (not very scientific method but sufice for your needs unless you're into getting every possible hp or torque that's in that engine)
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Hey PSYGUY do you know what page this info is on in the Haynes manual. Had a quick look and couldn't find it.
Cheers. Don
 
Suzuki_Don said:
Billyboy can you post a reply when you get the motor started to let us know if there are any oil leaks. As I said in the other post I am doing the same job on my GS550B and will have to fit my head gasket and four seals as well. Would like to know if motor starts OK and if any oil leaks out anywhere.

Cheers
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Will do. Likely in the other thread.
 
dont have the manuals on me and may be mistaken as i have various manuals :oops: so i was speaking from memory
but i remember something to do with the alignment of that round plate on the ignition side, i think i recall it can be "missaligned" a few degrees each side from the "correct" centre position
there's some lines there that have to match, but you can miss-match them by a few degrees
hopefully, i'm not adding to the confusion :confused:
 
psyguy said:
dont have the manuals on me and may be mistaken as i have various manuals :oops: so i was speaking from memory
but i remember something to do with the alignment of that round plate on the ignition side, i think i recall it can be "missaligned" a few degrees each side from the "correct" centre position
there's some lines there that have to match, but you can miss-match them by a few degrees
hopefully, i'm not adding to the confusion :confused:
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OK Thanks PSYGUY
 
stupid maybe.. but when I hear 4 rubber rings... and complete gasket set... I think the rubber rings that are supposed to go under the block into the crank area on bottom of the sleeves... my head gasket just had the metal ring molded into it which I believe I did face up so head crushed them down.

There maybe something in differences between the 1000 and 750 so dismiss this if I am completely wrong *newbie in training*:-D
 
um, here's my advice, put the dowel pins in the cylinder side as to line up your vesrah gasket. put the gasket on. put the 4 rubber coated washers (exposed metal side down is how I put mine) over your outside stems and you'll notice the holes on the gasket are larger on the outside stems to make room for the rubber washers. The OEM gasket has the gasket and rubber washers as a single unit.
 
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On Friday after work i decided to remove the head again and check the gaskets - rather do it now with the carbs and exhaust off - than later.

I agree with Doctor Nick regarding the small gasket/seal rings - i also came to this conclusion after having another look - they go inside the copper rings. I figure that they wouldnt include them for no reason.

Also - the head gasket cannot be re used - most of the soft outer gasket was damaged removing the head as it had bonded nicely to the cylinder block surface, despite never having been hot. I have another Vesrah one coming (about 1/5th the price of an OEM gasket incidentally).

Cheers
 
Jackbob said:
On Friday after work i decided to remove the head again and check the gaskets - rather do it now with the carbs and exhaust off - than later.

I agree with Doctor Nick regarding the small gasket/seal rings - i also came to this conclusion after having another look - they go inside the copper rings. I figure that they wouldnt include them for no reason.

Also - the head gasket cannot be re used - most of the soft outer gasket was damaged removing the head as it had bonded nicely to the cylinder block surface, despite never having been hot. I have another Vesrah one coming (about 1/5th the price of an OEM gasket incidentally).

Cheers
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How about a picture of how it all goes back together. The head gasket on the cylinders and the rubber rings in place for those of us that have yet to do this job. These rubber rings in my Vesrah kit are an orange type colour.
 
...hope this helps
vesrah.jpg
 
Thanks DOCTORNICK good picture. Can you tell me does the head hasket go on first and then the orange rings on top or the other way round.

Cheers
Don
 
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GS1000 Head gasket

GS1000 Head gasket

They are copper rings - integral with the gasket (assuming Vesrah). I have read in this thread that the 4 thin rubber backed steel "seal washers" are placed inside the copper rings as previosly suggested in this thread. When mine goes back together i intend to do this. Still waiting for a new head gasket so cannot post a picture, but i think everyone by now knows what we are on about. I asked the supplier to clarify the correct location and purpose of the seal washers, but no reply from them. I can only assume that the seal washers are a backup precaution as there may have been some issues with oil leaks without them in place. Just my assumption based on what i have read so far in this thread. Shame that Vesrah cant put a note with the kit to this effect for novices like me.
 
damn, this is getting confusing... my set i think had black RUBBER only rings/seals :? (no metal backing) and they were too big to nicely fit them INSIDE the gasket - and the gasket itself had copper ring inserts but not as wide as those pictured

so, if your rings fit nicely with the gasket / copper rings then definitely use them
 
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psyguy said:
damn, this is getting confusing... my set i think had black RUBBER only rings/seals :? (no metal backing) and they were too big to nicely fit them INSIDE the gasket - and the gasket itself had copper ring inserts but not as wide as those pictured

so, if your rings fit nicely with the gasket / copper rings then definitely use them
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The rubber ones go with the gasket, MAYBE.

The copper washers go under the crown nuts on TOP OF THE HEAD! Don't put them under the gasket.:shock:
 
the orange rings are not o-rings; they are very thin metal washers sealed in rubber. This is a vesrah complete gasket set I bought from ebay.
to assemble, I put the dowel pins in first then put the head gasket on. Then I put the orange rings on and last I put the rectangle o-ring in the middle.
I took them back off after and coated everything in a light coat of threebond 1211. I don't know if that is necessary, but I did it.
Sorry if this generated more questions than it answered.
 
i'm not saying anything more unless i can see a close up of the parts in question as i may have added confusion rather than clarity 8-[
very sorry if this was the case :oops: - my gasket kit was obviously different
 
Vesrah head gasket photo attached - i hope

Vesrah head gasket photo attached - i hope

Hi Folks,

My Vesrah head gasket arrived finally. Here's a picture - the copper sealing rings which are molded into the gasket are 20mm internal diameter. The separate thin metal/rubber sealing washers are 20mm outside diameter and 13mm i.d. and are 2mm thick.

The oil gallery hole is about 12mm diameter, so the washer will not restrict oil flow up the stud hole.

Incidenatlly the head gasket, which i bought as an individual part, did not include the 4 sealing washers-these i already had from previously buying the complete kit. I can only guess that these washers are a secondary sealing device to reduce leakage opportunities? Stuffed if i can see where else on the engine they would be used - and their size is perfect for the application. The head gasket thickness is 1.5mm (unused obviously).

The other question i had regarding which way up to put the gasket at the start of this thread - i neednt have worried coz there is very little difference in terms of the cylinder metal ring width.

Hope this helps to clarify - i know there are at least 2 other recent threads where this has been questioned.

If i am wrong re the sealing washers assumption, please let me know!!

many thanks.
 
aaauhhh, heck. I don't know.

I don't have the rubber bits in. It didn't look like they were suppased to go there. I didn't put them in. I'm going to run it without them. If it leaks, I'll order another gasket and put them in.
 
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