Headlight, turn, horn switch

[biker_guy]

The one on my bike works fine, but I really liked one feature about the 250 Suzuki trail bike I drove in my riding class. The turn signal switch had a button to cancel the signal. I've have trained myself pretty well not only to remember to signal but also to turn it off. But sometimes I wonder. I hate looking down. And sometimes I wonder did I just turn it off or did I just turn on the other signal. Well with that cancel button you don't wonder you push it and it's off that's it no guessing and continue to think about driving. Well problem is I saw a picture of one for sale some where and now that I really want one I can't pull hardly anything up. Isn't that how it always works. Anyway just thought I'd ask if anyone put one on or knows where to get one.

 

[Steve]

What bike do you have? :-k

You might already have self-cancelling signals, so you might not need the 'cancel' function. :-\\\

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[biker_guy]

It's a 82 gs850gl. I know that it came with that, but when I got the bike it had a different relay and all the wires to put the correct relay in are no longer there. I have a led relay in now for when I get that far to run led signals. And I could care less if the harness matches. The harnesses on the bike are so cracked and brittle when I do anything I first have to think about how to work in a wire harness of my own because they brake taking them apart. So far a trailer harness has worked.

I like the idea of the cancel switch, but i have also run into a signal beeper in my searching. Seems like it would be an easier, quicker, and cheaper fix. Not to mention having the same problem with forgetting to hit the cancel button right away or at all. Does anyone have one of these or used one? They all seem to start beeping the second the signal is turned on. They have to be loud enough to hear, but are the so loud people look and think "is that bike really backing up?"

 

[Steve]

The cancel switch only works on a system that has functioning self-cancelling signals.
Therefore, you may have to resign yourself to a beeper. Good news, though, you can get one at Radio Shack.

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[biker_guy]

the cancel switch that I am talking about is a switch that you press with your thumb. It makes the sliding signal switch go back to the center. I have seen one on ebay now that was kinda pricey. It had a red arrow pointing into the assembly meaning a cancel button for the signals. The 250 I drove had a big yellow button in the middle of the switch.

as for the beeper thanks for the link. I may just try it and forget about the changing the left controls if I like it. It's cheap enough to just give it a shot.

 

[Steve]

My Wing has a similar cancel feature, but it also has auto turn signals. Where the GS switch has five positions, the one on my Wing only has three. If I push to either side to activate a signal, the switch returns to the center. Pushing it in will cancel the signal before the auto system does. On the GS, pushing to activate the left signal, you push it to position #1, which is then spring-loaded to return the switch to #2, where it stays. Moving the switch to #3 in the center will cancel the signal.

If what you are describing is merely a mechanical centering device, it might work.

Whether you have self-cancelling signals or not, it is always a good idea to check the status of your lights after every turn. I had a bike previously that didn't always cancel, so I got in the habit of checking.

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[Suzuki_Don]

Try the XJ650 switch, I think you may find that is what you are after.

You will see a flat on the front of the plastic lever for pushing the lever in to cancel the flashers. As has been said the lever returns to the centre after putting the flasher on and pressing the lever in towards the bars cancels the flashers.

Hope this helps.

 

[Suzuki_Don]

As a bonus you get the choke lever as well.

 

[Guest]

All my XS650s had that feature. Press in and cancell.
I have some extra self-cancel boxes if you need one.

 

[Steve]

All my XS650s had that feature. Press in and cancell.
I have some extra self-cancel boxes if you need one.

Yeah, but I'll be they had electronic self-cancellers, too.

No doubt the 'push to cancel' feature works to stop the electronics, but I get the impression that biker guy is looking for something that will physically return a manual system to the OFF position with a single motion, regardless of whether it was activated for left or right signal. :-k

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[biker_guy]

yes the one on the 250 I drove had a mechanical cancel button. My dad has an 05 Shadow and he told me that his was mechanical. I'm sure there are many bikes out there that have the mechanical cancel. It couldn't be any more complex and how and ink pen clicks.

 

[Steve]

It couldn't be any more complex and how and ink pen clicks.

You would be surprised about that. A pen only goes one way, then returns from that position. The turn signal switch can go two ways. My guess is still that those bike with the cancel button also have self-cancelling systems. Can you verify that for me?

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[Guest]

I would push the turn-signal button in and it would return to center and hence cancel the signal. No electronic self-cancel on the XS. At least up to 77.

 

[Steve]

Thanks, Chef, I asked that because I know the XS750 had self-cancellers, did not know whether the 650 did or not.
In fact, I believe the XS750 was the first bike (in 1976) to have a self-cancelling system. I could be wrong, though.

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[Suzuki_Don]

The XJ650 switch which I have on my 550 is a mechanical switch. You push it in and it returns the nylon block with the contacts on it to the central(off) position.

Some rewiring maybe required, but it should not be too difficult. The added bonus of this switch is that it has a choke lever, same style as later GS models. And if you get the switch from Australia, England and the Continent you will get a passing switch as well. See pics below.

 

[biker_guy]

is that to like flash your lights or something just before you pass? or over take as they would say.

thanx for that bit of info. There's some on ebay for not too much, but the other question is is the bar dia the same?

 

[Guest]

The 78 GS1000 had the push to cancel function on the non-E model. Maybe the 77 GS750, too.

 

[rudy]

Can't remember what my GS1k has, but I know my 78 XS650 and the 79 XS400 have push to cancel. I think the 650 got the self cancel units in 80 when they got all ugly. I've gotten in the habit of pushing to cancel, as well as checking the dash flashers after every turn and every once in a while going down the road. Always bugs me when people drive down the road with their signals on.

I was actually considering new switch pods for the GS from Mike's XS, but $55 each is a little steep for me right now. They're GREAT quality and available in black or chrome. My 650's got them and I love em!

 

[Suzuki_Don]

is that to like flash your lights or something just before you pass? or over take as they would say.

thanx for that bit of info. There's some on ebay for not too much, but the other question is is the bar dia the same?

Yes, its like when someone coming the other way towards you and have their lights on high beam and you flash them momentarily. I don't know why they have the word pass next to the push button, it might be a european thing. Maybe some of the poms could tell us. You would hardly flash the vehicle in front of you when you are going to pass them. They wouldn't appreciate it I wouldn't think. I know I wouldn't appreciate a high beam in my rear view mirror every time some one wanted to pass me. Not that I ever get passed by anyone.

Mind you the switches on the Amerian bikes did not have this feature.

 

[MrZig]

I hope this isn't a derail, but I didn't think it's worth starting a new thread for.

I recently discovered me '78 GS400 has a socket for another bulb below the main one. What's it for? The wires behind the socket are disconnected from anything.

Pictures for reference:

By the way the bike is Canadian if that makes a difference.