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I just bought a new tire and it can be run with ot without a tube. My bike has alumnium wheels, so what are the advanatges/ disadvatges of running a tube?
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Not sure I have all the facts you need but from my pedal bike carrer I can tell you why some hardcore road race riders perfer tube or tubeless. Tubes in tires cause more rolling resistance, not sure of the physics, but sure it is true. Also, tubes increase rotational weight. It may seem negligable, as a tube weighs very little, but as a wheel turns, all the weight at the outside diameter is magnified many times. Racers will do anything to save 60 grams at the outside of a wheel, but not really care about the weight of a seatpost. Both these issues decrease effeciancy in pedal cyclists, and I am assuming the same applies for motorcycles. The only reason cyclists use tubes is because the tire / tube setup is cheaper, and easier to change on the fly. Not really issues for a motorcycle. Anybody else have input on this one?
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If your wheels can be run with tubeless tires, it will be embossed on the wheel. Something like (For Tubeless Application). I have read of other people running tubeless tires on non-tubeless wheels without problems, but I wouldn't do it myself.
Safer
Safer
Tubeless tires are safer and cooler. If you encounter a nail in a tubed tire, it will likely go flat immediately; with a tubeless, it might keep air for days so your chances of a blowout are much less. Tubleless are also cooler which translates into safety, especially at high speeds.
I've heard that some of the early cast wheels were somewhat porous and would slowly leak air. I think the situation changed about l983 based on a couple of comments I've read here. My '80 GS750L has tubes in it and I'm almost sure it did when it was new (I bought it from the original owner and that's what he remembered). I wish I could run tubeless but I've never tried it. :roll:
Safer
Tubeless tires are safer and cooler. If you encounter a nail in a tubed tire, it will likely go flat immediately; with a tubeless, it might keep air for days so your chances of a blowout are much less. Tubleless are also cooler which translates into safety, especially at high speeds.
I've heard that some of the early cast wheels were somewhat porous and would slowly leak air. I think the situation changed about l983 based on a couple of comments I've read here. My '80 GS750L has tubes in it and I'm almost sure it did when it was new (I bought it from the original owner and that's what he remembered). I wish I could run tubeless but I've never tried it. :roll:
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tubes
tubes
And on a different tack, if you run tubed tyres, they make a lovely bang when you burn out the rear tyre to destruction, instead of the wimpy hiss you get from a tubeless!
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tubes
And on a different tack, if you run tubed tyres, they make a lovely bang when you burn out the rear tyre to destruction, instead of the wimpy hiss you get from a tubeless!
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i have a 1980 GS and I am scared to run Tubeless tires on it though I am sure they would work
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The only advice I can give relates to my experience with the tubeless wheels on my gs1000g - after replacing a really antiquated set of tires just recently, I noticed that I had to air my tires up about once a week or so, I took the bike back to the shop that mounted the tires and had them remove the rear tire and check for leaks. They found them all around the bead area - evidently, over time, the aluminum wheels will corrode and the sealing surface needs to be checked/cleaned when the tires are changed. No more slow leaks!!
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Tube or Tubeless?
Tube or Tubeless?
Chuckycheese has it right; Nails, provided they stay in the tire, take a long time to flatten a tubeless tire. I had put Lester mags on my old water buffalo and ran tubeless tires. One day at college, I noticed a nail in the rear tire, but it seemed to have enough air. So I rode it home (30 miles), checked the air pressure later, and it was within 2 psi of where it should have been.
On a trip, we found a nail in the tire of my brothers GS1100G. We left it in and rode the 500 miles home. Again, the cool tire pressure was nearly what it should have been without the nail. I wouldn't recommend such a test, but we did it in the interest of science.
Tube or Tubeless?
Chuckycheese has it right; Nails, provided they stay in the tire, take a long time to flatten a tubeless tire. I had put Lester mags on my old water buffalo and ran tubeless tires. One day at college, I noticed a nail in the rear tire, but it seemed to have enough air. So I rode it home (30 miles), checked the air pressure later, and it was within 2 psi of where it should have been.
On a trip, we found a nail in the tire of my brothers GS1100G. We left it in and rode the 500 miles home. Again, the cool tire pressure was nearly what it should have been without the nail. I wouldn't recommend such a test, but we did it in the interest of science.
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The early GS850's, 79, 80, and 81, had tubeless-tire rear wheels, marked as such on the wheels themselves. The front ones, however, had no such marking. I would follow that recommendation -- tubeless rear, tube front -- in the interest of safety.
In 82 all GS850's and other GS's went to tubeless-tire wheels front and rear. Slightly different design, but all interchangeable. In other words, a new-style tubeless front wheel will fit an older 850 just fine.
Nick
In 82 all GS850's and other GS's went to tubeless-tire wheels front and rear. Slightly different design, but all interchangeable. In other words, a new-style tubeless front wheel will fit an older 850 just fine.
Nick
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I run tubeless front and back on my 1980.
Really
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Hey Robert,
Is there anything at all written on your wheels????
Charlie (Rocklin, ....up the road)
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Hey Robert,
Is there anything at all written on your wheels????
Charlie (Rocklin, ....up the road)
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The rear rim specifically says FOR TUBELESS TIRE APPLICATION, the front does not say one way or the other.
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dallyr said:
So, you're our guinea pig, Robert. If you have any significant loss, let the rest of us know.
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PLUUUUUUUHLEEEEEZE!! Not a guinea pig, I'd rather be a lab rat. They get much better drugs to try out. But since I'm the pig :wink: let me say that in 30K+ miles I have never run a tube in my front tire, The previous owner (I work with him) had it for 10 years, never run a tube in the front. On the average I lose about 2 pounds every other month in each tire.
Tubeless
Tubeless
I"ll need a front tire soon and think I'll give it a try also. If it works out, I'll post it. By the way, Robert, I looked at my rims and there is nothing mentioned about tubes but I'll bet our rims were manufactured in the same manner.
Tubeless
I"ll need a front tire soon and think I'll give it a try also. If it works out, I'll post it. By the way, Robert, I looked at my rims and there is nothing mentioned about tubes but I'll bet our rims were manufactured in the same manner.
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I've run tubeless on my '82 GS1100E, '83 GS750ES and '83 XN85 with no problems. They all had tubes from the factory but held air just fine without them. Yours may or may not, it's easy enough to give it a try. The reason the factory wants you to use tubes is because the rims were not designed for tubeless, there isn't an inner safety bead. That safety bead is supposed to help keep the tire bead in place during sudden air loss. It seems to me this isn't going to make a bit of difference with or without the tube in there. My reason for going tubeless is because a puncture in a tubeless tire usually results in a slow leak with plenty of warning, I've also found nails in my tires when a had plenty of air left, but if you pick up a nail in a tube tire BANG, hang on for dear life.
Axel
P.S. It's much easier to plug a tire than patch a tube.
P.P.S. Of course for legal reasons this is just my opinion and not a recommendation.
Axel
P.S. It's much easier to plug a tire than patch a tube.
P.P.S. Of course for legal reasons this is just my opinion and not a recommendation.
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tubeless
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I have a 1980 GS1100E and it came with tube-type tires and I replaced them with similar tires as I thought that it would be best to stick with what the factory designed the bike to run on wrt profile and sidewall design.
If I went with tubeless tires, I would use GUNK (or similar) aerosol flat tire inflator to coat the rim with sealant. The sealant would prevent slow leaks.
I have used this stuff on car tires a number of times and it works well and held for years.
Patrick
tubeless
I have a 1980 GS1100E and it came with tube-type tires and I replaced them with similar tires as I thought that it would be best to stick with what the factory designed the bike to run on wrt profile and sidewall design.
If I went with tubeless tires, I would use GUNK (or similar) aerosol flat tire inflator to coat the rim with sealant. The sealant would prevent slow leaks.
I have used this stuff on car tires a number of times and it works well and held for years.
Patrick
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I understood that aerosol tire sealers should only be used for temporary fixes because they can corrode aluminum rims. Can anyone back me up on this?
Axel
Axel
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tire sealant
tire sealant
Hi
I know the can says it is a temporary fix but I have used it on my Jetta mag wheels a number of times and it does not damage aluminum and it is as close to permanent as any repair I have ever had done.
The sealant forms a very very thin layer on the tire and rim - you would be hard pressed to even notice it yet it works really well at sealing leaks.
Patrick
tire sealant
Hi
I know the can says it is a temporary fix but I have used it on my Jetta mag wheels a number of times and it does not damage aluminum and it is as close to permanent as any repair I have ever had done.
The sealant forms a very very thin layer on the tire and rim - you would be hard pressed to even notice it yet it works really well at sealing leaks.
Patrick
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I run tubeless fronts and rear. 3 weeks after buying a new rear i realized i ran over a nail at my gf's driveway. I lost all readable pressure after 2 days only noticing cuz the bike wasn't handling very well. anyway i took it to the shop and my mechanic slapped a tube in there without replacing the tire. I drove on it for another 5000 miles with no problems.
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