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Wanted: Bad Igniters

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I am in the process of seeing about repairing igniters. i have fixed one for a 82 tscc 750. it worked! i have looked over the igniters off of my 82 gs1100glz and the tscc. looks like they are repairable. i just need some bad ones to see if repair is possible.
 
see thread in ""gs motorcycle discussion area"...

see thread in ""gs motorcycle discussion area"...

I'm willing to look at them all. I've looked at a local junkyard and there are a couple of different ones. my idea is to see if they are fixable, at what cost, to try and help the members here. Most electronics have common failures associated with a device. The igniters i've looked at so far work on a similar principle as far as i can tell. The one that was damaged required a new transistor in a driver circuit. the cost of that transistor would probably be 1-2 dollars. Labor on my part to fix, i haven't figured that one out yet. just a project on my part to see if its worth it. Thanks.
 
The igniters you are fixing, I am guessing they are not the ones filled with epoxy? Is there anywhere you know of where I can find a circuit diagram for an igniter?
 
Ive never had one go bunk, but are you saying you can even fix the ones that give off the smoke of death? Or no? Cos if so, what a boon that would be for ALL old UJM owners!!
 
oldschoolorange said:
The igniters you are fixing, I am guessing they are not the ones filled with epoxy? Is there anywhere you know of where I can find a circuit diagram for an igniter?
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i will try them all. i'm actually trying to draw a schematic from the board. will let you know more later.
 
TheCafeKid said:
Ive never had one go bunk, but are you saying you can even fix the ones that give off the smoke of death? Or no? Cos if so, what a boon that would be for ALL old UJM owners!!
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don't know till i see one. At 400 a pop for ones i know of, hope i can get some fixed for people. In experimental stage of trying it right now. We'll see what happens!
 
Great idea Mr. Saddlewarmer. That service would be a boon to lots of GS owners.

There is a great guy named Dave Denowh in Ohio who tests and rebuilds TCI modules for XV Viragos and he charges out at $100 plus shipping. I think at a price like that you could make some cash and customers would be more than happy to pay. I know I would.

Keep us up to speed with the project and good luck with it. I'm rooting for you.\\:D/

cheers,
Spyug,
 
spyug said:
Great idea Mr. Saddlewarmer. That service would be a boon to lots of GS owners.

There is a great guy named Dave Denowh in Ohio who tests and rebuilds TCI modules for XV Viragos and he charges out at $100 plus shipping. I think at a price like that you could make some cash and customers would be more than happy to pay. I know I would.

Keep us up to speed with the project and good luck with it. I'm rooting for you.\\:D/

cheers,
Spyug,
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I'm not trying to make a bunch of money on this. figure if it works, i'll charge for my time to fix plus parts. i know the feeling of needing to fix something and not having the money to do so because of the high cost of an item. hopefully, as some say, this is a way i can give back to the gsr.
 
I dont know if this will be helpfull or not but its relevant i think

my 1100ef stopped dead exiting an island a week ago :shock: & after the recovery hassles, much swearing & sweating lifting it in to a van i finally got it home 8-[

When looking for the fault i found that if i moved the connection to the ignitor with the ignition on the tacho flicked very slightly so i popped the circuit board out & re soldered 2 joints that had fractured due to vibration i assume & she fired straight up \\:D/

thinking about this i realised this could have been an easy fix at the roadside, the moral is dont assume its shot just cos the bike stops sparking :-D
 
Early Suzuki electronic ignitions use a mechanical advance, starting in 82 (I think) some bikes switched over to ignitor boxes that also controlled spark advance.

I'm generally a big fan of using stock parts where ever possible but in this case I think one could make a good case to upgrade from the stock ignitor/signal generator to a Dyna S ($120 from Z1) - particularly the early version with mechanical advance. At any rate, the cost had best come under this level or it wouldn't make a lot of sense to offer repair parts.

Sorry if this sounds like a negative, not my intention.

Good luck.
 
Nessism said:
Early Suzuki electronic ignitions use a mechanical advance, starting in 82 (I think) some bikes switched over to ignitor boxes that also controlled spark advance.

I'm generally a big fan of using stock parts where ever possible but in this case I think one could make a good case to upgrade from the stock ignitor/signal generator to a Dyna S ($120 from Z1) - particularly the early version with mechanical advance. At any rate, the cost had best come under this level or it wouldn't make a lot of sense to offer repair parts.

Sorry if this sounds like a negative, not my intention.

Good luck.
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not negative to me, just sounds like an available option to using an igniter. Didn't know about it myself. I want to keep the cost of repairing these reasonable, at least to me. I figure 50 -75 (including parts) from what i know right now. it may go lower (hope it does). i don't know until i learn more about the igniter boxes.
 
The circut drawup would be cool. I have some connections at a circut board manufacturer and will see what I can come up with. I don't think that they are all that complicated inside as you are just dealing with a few transistors. I will see if I can dig up some toasted ones and take a look at the insides
 
I'm waiting on a couple to get here from some members to check out. Not much to them and i suspect that they are easily rebuildable. the ones that provide the electronic advance might be the biggest problem to repair. we'll see what happens!
 
repairing will not be aproblem so far if i can get the schematic drawn. actually, the igniters are a simple device. I have one schematic almost drawn and parts list together.
 
i believe my igniter from my 86 gs550es is bad. i will be willing to mail it to you for research purposes, i dont need it back. i think its an epoxied one.
 
i am getting ready to take my ignitor off of my 81 kaw 440ltd i think it is bad ditto on what khrys771 said
 
Is there any way to make a device that would put the smoke back in them?
I have been busy as hell for the last bit but as soon as I have things sorted out I will got going on this
 
oldschoolorange said:
Is there any way to make a device that would put the smoke back in them?
I have been busy as hell for the last bit but as soon as I have things sorted out I will got going on this
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if you can figure out how to get the smoke back in to an electronic device, you will be more than a hero, millionare, etc!!! Even i'd love you, hug you, whatever!!!
 
Don't you know smoking is bad for your health; that's why I had to get out in front of the two-strokes back in the day!
 
I'm almost positive the ignitor on my '82 GS850G is bad if you're interested.
 
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