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    #31
    Originally posted by tkent02 View Post
    I would like to know in which states passing on these lines is completely illegal, and which states it's not.

    Here you go. PA Law

    Here is the relevant reading:

    § 3305. Limitations on overtaking on the left.
    No vehicle shall be driven to the left side of the center or marked center line of the roadway in
    overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction unless the left side is clearly
    visible and is free of oncoming traffic for a sufficient distance ahead to permit the overtaking and
    passing to be completely made without interfering with the operation of any vehicle approaching from
    the opposite direction or any vehicle overtaken. In every event the overtaking vehicle must return to
    an authorized lane of travel as soon as practicable and, in the event the passing movement involves the
    use of a lane authorized for vehicles approaching from the opposite direction, before coming within
    200 feet of any approaching vehicle.

    Cross References. Section 3305 is referred to in sections 1535, 1603, 3326, 3327 of this title.
    § 3306. Limitations on driving on left side of roadway.
    (a) General rule.--No vehicle shall be driven on the left side of the roadway under any of the following conditions:
    (1) When approaching or upon the crest of a grade or a curve in the highway where
    the driver's view is obstructed within such distance as to create a hazard in the event another
    vehicle might approach from the opposite direction.
    (2) When approaching within 100 feet of or traversing any intersection or railroad
    grade crossing, unless otherwise indicated by official traffic-control devices.
    (3) When the view is obstructed upon approaching within 100 feet of any bridge,
    viaduct or tunnel.
    (b) Application of section.--This section does not apply under the conditions described in section
    3301(a)(2),(3),(4) and (5) (relating to driving on right side of roadway).

    Cross References. Section 3306 is referred to in sections 1535, 1603, 3326, 3327, 6506 of this
    title.
    § 3307. No-passing zones.
    (a) Establishment and marking.--The department and local authorities may determine those
    portions of any highway under their respective jurisdictions where overtaking and passing or driving
    on the left side of the roadway would be especially hazardous and shall by appropriate signs or
    markings on the roadway indicate the beginning and end of such zones and when the signs or
    markings are in place and clearly visible to an ordinarily observant person every driver of a vehicle
    shall obey the directions of the signs or markings. Signs shall be placed to indicate the beginning and
    end of each no-passing zone.
    (b) Compliance by drivers.--Where signs and markings are in place to define a no-passing zone
    as set forth in subsection (a), no driver shall at any time drive on the left side of the roadway within
    the no-passing zone or on the left side of any pavement striping designed to mark a no-passing zone
    throughout its length.
    (c) Application of section.--This section does not apply under the conditions described in section
    3301(a)(2) and (5) (relating to driving on right side of roadway).
    So, basically in PA it is legal when there is no signage specifically stating that it is a "No passing zone".

    At one point someone told me passing on double yellow was legal if the person being passed was going under the posted speed by a certain amount, but that apparently was false information as there need be no provision for speed difference under the guidelines. Just so long as there isn't a sign and it's safe to pass, go ahead, at least in PA.

    Amos

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      #32
      It's sad. I'm guessing you were on Palamar Mt. The locals have a nick name for it. Palamar Raceway. Their was a group that basicly stopped traffic on the freeway the other week over here so they could stunt. Results
      6 impounded bikes & 29 tickets

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        #33
        Originally posted by SqDancerLynn1 View Post
        It's sad. I'm guessing you were on Palamar Mt. The locals have a nick name for it. Palamar Raceway. Their was a group that basicly stopped traffic on the freeway the other week over here so they could stunt. Results
        6 impounded bikes & 29 tickets
        Good!

        I've worked hard my entire motorcycling life to earn the respect of non-riders as a sort of "ambassador" for motorcycling and riders. I can't stand it when the "new 1%-ers" continue to make things worse for all of us!!!

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          #34
          Originally posted by tkent02 View Post
          Double yellow has nothing to do with safe passing on a motorcycle...
          The yellow lines usually seem to be designed for underpowered cars, with a really long straight required. Legally they apply to us but in reality, they rarely do. Often a very safe place to pass on a bike has double yellow, quite often a place with no double lines is not safe on a bike.

          We can see over little rises, have near instant acceleration, we corner differently than cars.

          Sometimes the safest place to pass is a left hairpin corner, where the cars are the slowest, the road is wide and you can see all the way up the next straight. They will certainly be double yellow here if the road has lines at all.

          If you know the road, and there are no hidden dangers such as driveways or lanes that split off to the right, go for it.
          Amen to that, tkent02a. I become impatient when the people I ride with will refuse to execute a perfectly safe pass on a double yellow -- just because it's a double yellow. So the group gets split up, needlessly.

          So many highway departments paint a double yellow because it's cheaper, more convenient for them, not for the public.

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            #35
            totally illegal in Maryland

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              #36
              I was always told a double yellow was more of a caution than a illegal. I actually passed an undercover cop on a twisty double yellow on Hwy 7 around Peterborough. I did get a ticket for something else, but not for passing on a double yellow. Never even mentioned anything about the double yellow.

              Anyways, car or bike, I pass when it's safe, not when the municipality felt like turning the solid lines off.

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                #37
                Originally posted by rudy View Post

                Anyways, car or bike, I pass when it's safe, not when the municipality felt like turning the solid lines off.
                Wish everyone used thier head like that, we wouldn't need any silly lines.
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by tkent02 View Post
                  Wish everyone used thier head like that, we wouldn't need any silly lines.
                  if everyone was smart, life would be alot different.

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                    #39
                    I casually passed a white truck on an uphill straightaway with a double yellow in Mt. Rainier National Park. The speed limit was 35 mph, I was doing 65 which seemed lazy and comfortable to me.

                    However, as I passed the truck, I noticed out of the corner of my eye a logo on the door panel. Nah, its not a park ranger and continued on my way. When I arrived at the Chinook Pass Jct., another ranger was flagging me over. I momentarily considered bolting, but pulled over. The truck I passed pulled in with the head honcho park ranger behind the wheel. He was not pleased and wrote me three tickets in row: Passing on a double yellow, reckless driving, and no insurance. In the end, it was lowered to negligent which I guess I was guilty of.
                    GS\'s since 1982: 55OMZ, 550ES, 750ET, (2) 1100ET\'s, 1100S, 1150ES. Current ride is an 83 Katana. Wifes bike is an 84 GS 1150ES

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Carter Turk View Post
                      I casually passed a white truck on an uphill straightaway with a double yellow in Mt. Rainier National Park. The speed limit was 35 mph, I was doing 65 which seemed lazy and comfortable to me.

                      However, as I passed the truck, I noticed out of the corner of my eye a logo on the door panel. Nah, its not a park ranger and continued on my way. When I arrived at the Chinook Pass Jct., another ranger was flagging me over. I momentarily considered bolting, but pulled over. The truck I passed pulled in with the head honcho park ranger behind the wheel. He was not pleased and wrote me three tickets in row: Passing on a double yellow, reckless driving, and no insurance. In the end, it was lowered to negligent which I guess I was guilty of.
                      No you weren't, they just scammed you.
                      Fvckin revenuers.
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by seuadr View Post
                        if everyone was smart, life would be alot different.
                        Yep. For starters, there'd be a lot less people.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Carter Turk View Post
                          I casually passed a white truck on an uphill straightaway with a double yellow in Mt. Rainier National Park. The speed limit was 35 mph, I was doing 65 which seemed lazy and comfortable to me.

                          However, as I passed the truck, I noticed out of the corner of my eye a logo on the door panel. Nah, its not a park ranger and continued on my way. When I arrived at the Chinook Pass Jct., another ranger was flagging me over. I momentarily considered bolting, but pulled over. The truck I passed pulled in with the head honcho park ranger behind the wheel. He was not pleased and wrote me three tickets in row: Passing on a double yellow, reckless driving, and no insurance. In the end, it was lowered to negligent which I guess I was guilty of.

                          The insurance ticket wouldn't have stuck. It's not required in Washington State for motorcycles. I'm surprised he even wrote that one.

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                            #43
                            Last year I was on the way home from Charlotte,NC from recovering an airplane and decided to take a slight detour. I had heard numerous stories about the Dragon from a good friend of mine who rides a Wing, so I decided to take the alternate route (and it would keep me out of Atlanta rush hour traffic again).

                            It was a really cool ride even in a Ford Ranger, and I was pushing the truck as much as I could(to keep from holding up others) and letting people pass (riders) when ever I could. The only problem I had I was in the inside of a blind turn (hugging the right side of the road) when some guy on a rocket scraping his knee took out the drivers side mirror in the truck with his helmet. Best I could tell he never slowed down and kept on hauling a$$, once I got to a place to pull over some cruisers that had been behind me pulled over to check the damage. Seems the idiot wobbled a bit and almost hit them, a couple of bikes had to run off the road to avoid him(again thank god we were on the inside of the turn.)

                            The fun part came when I got back home and had to explain how the mirror got broken (company truck).

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                              #44
                              I was recently watching some bike cam videos of crotch rockets on the Dragon & the bike in front of the one with the cam was draggin knee & took out the mirror of an oncoming vehicle & kept going, don't remember if it was on you tube or what. Could this have been your mirror RobC? If I can find it again I will look to see if it was a ford ranger.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Carter Turk View Post
                                I casually passed a white truck on an uphill straightaway with a double yellow in Mt. Rainier National Park. The speed limit was 35 mph, I was doing 65 which seemed lazy and comfortable to me.

                                However, as I passed the truck, I noticed out of the corner of my eye a logo on the door panel. Nah, its not a park ranger and continued on my way. When I arrived at the Chinook Pass Jct., another ranger was flagging me over. I momentarily considered bolting, but pulled over. The truck I passed pulled in with the head honcho park ranger behind the wheel. He was not pleased and wrote me three tickets in row: Passing on a double yellow, reckless driving, and no insurance. In the end, it was lowered to negligent which I guess I was guilty of.
                                For you to have bargained down those three tickets was a lucky break - if you've got no insurance and you know the severe penalty for that, then you should've been happy with just the negligent driving conviction. Besides, that negligent driving is the catchall for anything that the cops don't like but isn't illegal - it's a tough ticket to fight.

                                I very rarely pass on a double yellow and I get p!ssed whenever anyone gets too close to me or invades my space, period. If I don't pull to the right to let you by, you pass me in the next lane, not in mine! I do not share a lane with anyone unless it is in a staggered formation. Sorry, I don't trust anyone that much.

                                I usually ride at a fast enough clip that most would not want to pass me anyway, but occasionally some crotch rocket kids do want to blow by and I just wave 'em by and let 'em go...
                                Last edited by Guest; 02-19-2009, 12:20 PM.

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