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1977 GS400 Running Lean
Hi, everyone, I purchased a 1977 GS400 back in May and have been slowly working to get it back to tip top shape. I cleaned the carbs but had to drill out the pilot jets and could only find size 20 jets instead of the stock 22.5 for the BS34 carb. Because of this (and the pods on it, thanks PO) its running pretty lean, won't run without choke and likes to idle high. I ordered O-rings to replace on the intake boots, but when I took those off, I couldn't see any O-rings to replace, could anyone confirm that these 400s don't have intakeboot O-rings? I am just looking for advice on what I should do to fix this lean condition considering that the jets I do need are unavailble and the next size up is 30. I have checked the throttle cable, replaced fuel line and fuel filter, cleaned the tank, and messed with the idle adjustment which helped a bit but it still dies without choke. The gasket connecting the intake boot to the engine does look a bit beat up so I ordered a new one which could help making it lean. Can anyone think of anything else that I could do to make it run richer? Or if anyone has a pair of 22.5 N151.067 jets that they would be willing to sell let me know.Tags: None
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Can anyone think of anything else that I could do to make it run richer?I ordered O-rings to replace on the intake boots, but when I took those off, I couldn't see any O-rings to replace,
This isn't a real solution but it might "inform"...Try covering parts of the pods to restrict air. You will probably need to cover a lot of their area to see any effect...air is compressible so it'll just go faster through the uncovered part to make up the demand of the pistons but at some point the pod material should restrict it...
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Originally posted by Gorminrider View PostYou have to know your valves and pistons are providing suction and that carbs are sealed at the engine-side first. Taking the pods off and putting your hand over the carb mouth or measuring manifold vacuum might inform as to leaks.. Did you know the seals were leaking in the first place?and if O-rings don't exist for this bike, how were you able to order them?
This isn't a real solution but it might "inform"...Try covering parts of the pods to restrict air. You will probably need to cover a lot of their area to see any effect...air is compressible so it'll just go faster through the uncovered part to make up the demand of the pistons but at some point the pod material should restrict it...
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Please check the Newbie Mistakes thread linked in my signature to see if anything hits close to home.
Realize that the bike won't run for crap with pods and standard jetting. Pods drastically change the bikes jetting needs.
The early GS bikes like yours don't have intake boot O-rings. Check Partzilla (or similar) if you haven't already, since the parts fishe shows what parts are involved. One way or another, you are going to have to figure out how to get the boots to seal properly, otherwise, the idle will never be stable.Ed
To measure is to know.
Mikuni O-ring Kits For Sale...https://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...ts#post1703182
Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846
Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf
KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection
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Unlike the 4 cylinder models w/ intake boots that bolt onto the head, the 400 appears to not have on o-ring against the head but has:
boot /PIPE, INTAKE B,XB - # 22,
an INSULATOR B,XB - # 21,
and a GASKET, CARBURETOR B,XB - # 20
-- All NLA.
Rich
1982 GS 750TZ
2015 Triumph Tiger 1200
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All I know is what's on the fiche at partshark.com. Can't/won't know until/unless the OP posts pics.Rich
1982 GS 750TZ
2015 Triumph Tiger 1200
BikeCliff's / Charging System Sorted / Posting Pics
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Originally posted by Nessism View PostPlease check the Newbie Mistakes thread linked in my signature to see if anything hits close to home.
Realize that the bike won't run for crap with pods and standard jetting. Pods drastically change the bikes jetting needs.
The early GS bikes like yours don't have intake boot O-rings. Check Partzilla (or similar) if you haven't already, since the parts fishe shows what parts are involved. One way or another, you are going to have to figure out how to get the boots to seal properly, otherwise, the idle will never be stable.
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Just looking at pictures of Mikuni pilot jets. The pilots for CV and VM carbs sure look a lot the same, Wondering if VM pilots would work in CV's, Plenty of 22.5's for the VM's... Also just looking found the "77" GS750, with VM carbs use 22.5 pilots, not that it means anything, just interesting.1983 GS1100E, 1983 CB1100F, 1991 GSX1100G, 1996 Kaw. ZL600 Eliminator, 1999 Bandit 1200S, 2005 Bandit 1200S, 2000 Kaw. ZRX 1100
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Put in the VM jets and they did indeed work. I can start it without the choke now but I have to hold the throttle a bit open or it will die. Messed with the idle air adjustment screws but couldn't seem to get it. I'm hoping when I replace the intake gaskets it might help. Should I do a valve adjustment as well just to try and cover all my bases?
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Originally posted by gorillafan208 View Post…….. Should I do a valve adjustment as well just to try and cover all my bases?
Rich
1982 GS 750TZ
2015 Triumph Tiger 1200
BikeCliff's / Charging System Sorted / Posting Pics
Destroy-Rebuild 750T/ Destroy-Rebuild part deux
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