honda cvcc motor in a suzuki?

[chompper]

OK I'm old enough to remember the motor he's talking about,I think.
Pre Civic the first real car Honda did was the 1300 - front wheel drive,transverse engine and fan cooled. SOHC - which was laid out just like the CB750. Very nice die casting exercise - state of the art at the time and done by the CB750 design team I believe.
Copious finning and nice fan shrouds.
But - plain bearing crank, SOHC, Camchain on the end of the crank.
And it was not CVCC cylinder head.
How does this look like a Suzuki roller bearing DOHC motor ?

I repeat, clip him round the ear... Brothers are like that.

A good friend had a 1300 - and raced it here. It was the rare high performance version with 4 CV carbs - and would murder a 1275 Mini Cooper in a straight line.

ahh oky so is the GS engines possibly based off of the old CB honda engines or vice versa or is it just a coincidence of layout? the carb setup and blocks look very similer to me (of course the GS850 having DOHC but still they look alot alike)

[tkent02]

Apparently it runs in the family.

[chompper]

i know they are different

Apparently it runs in the family.

I understand they are different but if you look at say a cb900 and a gs850 the engines look very similer and for that matter the so does the kx as well i was just wondering if this was simply a coincidence in the build or if these bikes had some parts in common that cause them to look alike? im deffinitly no mechanic and i dont really know much about these bikes thats why i was wondering if it was a coincidence or if they are all built off some common model/parts?

[Billy Ricks]

I understand they are different but if you look at say a cb900 and a gs850 the engines look very similer and for that matter the so does the kx as well i was just wondering if this was simply a coincidence in the build or if these bikes had some parts in common that cause them to look alike? im deffinitly no mechanic and i dont really know much about these bikes thats why i was wondering if it was a coincidence or if they are all built off some common model/parts?

They are both inline 4's, the similarity stops there. The old CB had a single overhead cam, the GS 2. Someone already pointed out the CB had a plain bearing crank, the GS roller bearing. Absolutely no shared parts, they just look somewhat similar. Suzuki used the old KZ as more of a model for the GS engine.

[rustybronco]

That oil filter location looks might close.

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The clutch cable looks similar also.

[kirkn]

I understand they are different but if you look at say a cb900 and a gs850 the engines look very similer and for that matter the so does the kx as well i was just wondering if this was simply a coincidence in the build or if these bikes had some parts in common that cause them to look alike? im deffinitly no mechanic and i dont really know much about these bikes thats why i was wondering if it was a coincidence or if they are all built off some common model/parts?

That would be kinda like saying that the Ford, Chevy and Chrysler small-block automotive V-8s of the mid-60s looked kinda similar - 289, 283, 273 cu. in., they had a V-8 configuration, the exhausts were on the outside of the V, the carburetor sat on the inside of the V, the cams sat in the center of the V, they had transmissions bolted on the rear, they had a fan and radiator in front.... So, was the Ford "based on" the Chevy or the Chevy "based on" the Chrysler? Of course not.

They have no parts in common, other than perhaps a few nuts and bolts, and maybe the spark plugs.

I don't know how much clearer everyone can make it....

[Planecrazy]

If your brother used to work for Honda as a tech I'd expect him to be a little more knowledgeable than he appears to be. Most "techs" have a pretty broad knowledge of their competitor's products, at least broad enough to know which products share parts, similarities, etc. It seems in this case he's talking out of his a$$ without having any actual knowledge to back it up...

There ARE very interesting instances where the major Japanese manufacturers produced products that are SO alike that you would scratch your head wondering how they all could have possibly arrived at the same conclusion independently, only to find out that they were building products based on a single government specification.

Case in point: The late eighties/early nineties Japanese mid-engined minivans. The three we got (Toyota/Nissan/Mitsubishi) were all astonishingly similar in almost every dimension, not to mention how much they looked like fraternal triplets, despite being completely unique and sharing nothing mechanically in common with each other. Turns out they all had to meet specific government requirements in Japan for that type of cargo vehicle, and were eventually converted for passenger use as well.

The same coincidences still occur today. Look at how similar the Toyota Prius and new Honda Insight look, despite being entirely different in almost every way other than basic body shell design...

Bottom Line: You are lucky enough to have a worldwide network of GS lovers at your disposal who can unequivacably attest to the fact that the Honda motor shares nothing in common with the Suzuki motor aside from basic appearances (and even there they look almost nothing alike). It is quite possible that this coincidence arose from similar design specs both companies were working independently on back then, just as they still do today. In the end, all you need to know is that your brother is 100% wrong - now go serve him some Humble Pie and make sure he gets a full serving, hehe!

Regards,

[tx2000bob]

the Honda motor shares nothing in common with the Suzuki motor aside from appearances.,

appearances?

[madjack57754]

CVCC-TSCC.... It can be confusing to some and you have to understand that things are different in East Dakota.
First Honda Civics were 600cc, with a single overhead cam ran both intake and the exhaust valves. The transaxel bolted on, in addition to being air cooled. The SOHC motor used in the 1969 CB750 is a completely different design as it has a unit case with trans built in. Liquid cooling started around 1970 in the cars, with the 1200 until around 1980 when the 1300-1500's came out

[Planecrazy]

appearances?

What I meant by that is that they are both inline 4's ... Tough Crowd! I went ahead and edited the prior post to clarify...

Regards,

[Buffalo Bill]

Road signs should be written in braille…

ahh oky so is the GS engines possibly based off of the old CB honda engines or vice versa or is it just a coincidence of layout? the carb setup and blocks look very similer to me (of course the GS850 having DOHC but still they look alot alike)

You mean because they're both look kind of silvery?

[Steve]

Road signs should be written in braille…

Why not?

They already have it at the drive-up ATMs at the bank.

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[chompper]

Thank you

thanks guys i actually found out that the honda's suzuki's and kawasaki's look similer (in apearance not design/engineering) because they were copies but only in basic appearance none of them shared any parts in common at all and thank you for the posts i will finally be able to stick it to my brother and his honda-on-the-brain if it works must be a honda attitude he has had lately. i knew they were completly different but i just didnt have the tech knowhow to dispute him with. i appreciate the learning experiance. even if he just gets mad and continues to try and tell me all of yall are wrong and he's right. which is just him in denial i think lol but thank you now i can ride in peace knowing its not a honda. lol

[rapidray]

Tell your brother to stick to his X-Box, or Play Station or whatever he is an "expert" in. As far as motorcycles go, he's NOT all there. Ray.

[Billy Ricks]

About all you can say is they were all inline fours. Just like all inline sixes are inline sixes, all V-8s are V-8s and on down the line.