Suzuki Bond #4, ThreeBond 1194/1184/1207B???

[chuck hahn]

Ed. look at the dates of those manuals. Is the different recomendations in line with a progressive change in sealer technologies???

[Chuck78]

I bet so... Maybe 1207B is best? Does the 1184/1194 not fully dry, compared to the 1207???

[blowerbike]

i have always used yamabond on street engines and gasgacinch on race engines.

[Chuck78]

From an old post titled "Substitute for Suzuki Bond 1211?"

The manual says that Suzuki Bond 1211 shoudl be used on the cam chain chamber "O" ring between the head and the cylinder. Anyone got recommendations on something I can substitute from my local NAPA or Carquest?

BTW, my manual says to use Suzuki Bond 1207B there.

since the 1211 and 1207B are both silicone-based, I wonder if I could just buy 1207B and use it for both the case halves AND the o-rings on the cylinder block??

With the price of an OEM suzuki GS1100G MLS head gasket, I definitely do not want to do anything that would make me have to tear the engine down again (necessitating a new head gasket), so I'm not opposed to buying both, but I am wondering if the later models and more recent manuals spec using 1207B for the o-rings as well????

[Nessism]

From an old post titled "Substitute for Suzuki Bond 1211?"




since the 1211 and 1207B are both silicone-based, I wonder if I could just buy 1207B and use it for both the case halves AND the o-rings on the cylinder block??

With the price of an OEM suzuki GS1100G MLS head gasket, I definitely do not want to do anything that would make me have to tear the engine down again (necessitating a new head gasket), so I'm not opposed to buying both, but I am wondering if the later models and more recent manuals spec using 1207B for the o-rings as well????

The MLS gasket eliminates the need for the cam chain O-ring.

[Chuck78]

The MLS gasket eliminates the need for the cam chain O-ring.

Yes I do remember that, but I was wondering about the cylinder base o-rings, as the manual calls for a thin film of 1211 on those two o-rings.

The 1100g manual calls for 1207B on the case halves. Searching through for what it calls for on the base o-rings.

[Nessism]

Yes I do remember that, but I was wondering about the cylinder base o-rings, as the manual calls for a thin film of 1211 on those two o-rings.

The 1100g manual calls for 1207B on the case halves. Searching through for what it calls for on the base o-rings.

My 1100G manual says 1215 on the crankcase halves. I don't seen any reference to sealer on the base O-rings either. What pages are you finding this info on? The sealer info is on 3-53.

[Chuck78]

That's in the early '77 gs750 manual to use 1211 on the cylinder base o-rings. In the 2nd gs1100g manual linked on bike cliff's page (the smaller 40kb pdf with more models listed), it somehow skips from installing the pistons to the rods & installing rings, all the way to putting the head on & torquing! Not a missing page, but zero mention of installing the cylinders over the pistons OR the base orings! I downloaded the larger (1st) gs1100g manual to browse for this purpose, since I'll be using that 73mm bore gs1100g mls head gasket on my 72mm bore gs750 w/850 block.

[rapidray]

Why did you stop using 1194/1184? I take it in your rigorously ran race engines, you have had those leak on you? Do they not solidify completely, compared to the silicone based 1207B?

Looking to order one or the other and some 1211 ASAP. building a second (4'x8') workbench tonight to begin the teardown process of two donor engines to combine the best parts of the bottom ends with the bored out 850 cylinders and a nice fresh head (start next week). Thanks everyone.

The 1207B is the only thing I have ever used as it is what the 1100 & 1150 manuals call for for the case halves. It takes so LITTLE an amount to seal the cases that a 20 dollar tube lasts a long time. I have NEVER had a set of cases leak with that sealer & no issues of it going into the motor. I even had to split the cases on a hot motor at the races once to replace a broken trans & fired it up again right after putting it back together without a leak.
Ray.

[Chuck78]

#1211 (White) Silicon Liquid Gasket - High grade silicon liquid gasket used by many OEM’s in aluminum case assembly. 1211 is tack free in 90 minutes and fully cured in 24 hours.
#1207B (Black) Quick Dry Silicon Gasket - Crankcase sealer for large gaps, sheet metal, tough to seal areas, and vertical applications.1207B is tack free in 5 minutes and fully cured in 24 hours.


There is a HUGE difference in setup time I just realized... Looks like 1211 & 1207B are basically the same thing except that 1211 sets up on 90 minutes and is good for 250 degrees Celsius, and 1207B sets up in FIVE minutes and is good for 200 degrees Celsius.

Maybe I might as well just go for 1211 all around? I see people raving about it as case sealer on many forums. If it were better than 1207B, however, why didnt Suzuki just spec 1211?

I also read on a Kawi forum that their manual says to have all bolts layed out in order as you apply the case sealer, as the sealer (1194?) had to be fully torqued down in 20 minutes.

[rustybronco]

The original case sealer for my GS1000EC is P/N 99000-31030 which according to this webpage is Threebond 1104. http://wodocs.com/docum/204-suzuki-2...emicals-4.html
The replacement number for it (Suzuki bond #4/Threebond 1104) as far as I can tell is P/N 99104-31140 which is Threebond 1207B.

Threebond 1104 is good up to 150° C

Threebond 1207B is good up to 250° C (??)

http://www.nzgaskets.co.nz/ThreeBondProducts.aspx

Edit... Somehow or another as Ed said, there was a Threebond 1201 thrown in there as well. (P/N 99104-31100)

[chuck hahn]

I use the 1207B. And as Ray said..it takes just the thinnest smear to seal the cases. Last tube i got was like 27 and change.

[Nessism]

Bumping this back just for kicks...

Bought some 1207B because it's black. Working on a black engine and don't want white/gray 1184 sealer squeezing out and looking unsightly. Great selection criteria eh?

BTW, when cleaning up the inside of my KZ750 engine couldn't help but notice that the original sealer was black silicone. Pretty sure it's 1207B. Some people get all up in arms when silicone is suggested, but the OEM's apparently don't have an issue with the stuff.

[rapidray]

I have 5 new tubes of 1207B I just got that I can sell, shipped to you, for 22 bucks a tube if you are in the 48 USA.
Ray.

[Nessism]

I have 5 new tubes of 1207B I just got that I can sell, shipped to you, for 22 bucks a tube if you are in the 48 USA.
Ray.

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