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[rustybronco]

Steve, have you ever painted with your guns before? I sense a lot of talk and little action. A huge learning curve is in store for you!

~Adam

yep there is a lot more to it! but it can be done.

i'll try to give you more this weekend. yes i have painted (not a pro) small parts to panels to completes in fact that's what i'm doing this weekend, 3 weeks ago i painted the hood on the race car except for a little dust in it (painted in my garage) and it came out fine. ask my girlfriend she works in a body shop.

rattle cans are more forgiving and paint materials are expensive but you and others before you have done it, so why not you?

start with a solid color first then work your way up.

and be careful with a catalyzed paint it is not good for your health, WEAR A RESPERATOR!

[Planecrazy]

He'll be on fire long before his lungs give out...

...according to the ladies I'm already on fire!!:shock:;-)

[Ogri]

In a tent, without any air movement, even a respirator will not be enough. You have to have so many air exchanges in your "booth" for it to be effective. What you are planning to do is VERY dangerous. This ranks with the redneck that said "Hey y'all, watch this".......... Right before he met his doom.

You must have a certain number of air exchanges for the paint to be glossy as well. As the paint dries, solvents are released. If those solvents are not carried away from the fresh paint you will get what is commonly referred to as "solvent burn". The part will have a flat fuzzy appearance. So, leaving the part in the tent or putting a box over it will diminish the gloss.


I'm sorry to be another nay sayer, but the tent is not a good idea.

Step up to the plate and get the job done right.

[Jackyl]

1980 Gsx750e



I never really liked this color, this fall it goes to a shade of red called 'wineberry'

[Planecrazy]

I just love the way a bunch of you have assumed that there would be no air exchanges or no airflow when, in fact, most of my posts to date have mentioned using ducting to flow fresh air into the tent. How is it that all you "naysayers" missed this?

One would have to be a complete idiot to do ANY kind of painting without adequate ventalation. Between flowing air through a large electronic HEPA air filter and ducting that into the tent (from outside to avoid the spark danger) and having the garage door wide open, I can't imagine there being a major risk, especially since erecting a large tent is little different from buying a pre-fabbed set of shrouds sold commercially for the same purpose. If anything the tent material will allow MORE airflow than a portable paint booth would.

I appreciate the advice regarding the flammability of the fumes (which I had guessed at but not the extent of how careful to be) but the rest is rather basic common sense.

Regards,

[fat_sac]

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I never really liked this color, this fall it goes to a shade of red called 'wineberry'

That looks like the same color we just painted my 1100. Here's a pic. :-D

[Jackyl]

That looks like the same color we just painted my 1100. Here's a pic. :-D

Nice, somehow that color looks so much better on yours, probably because mine is blue and in my driveway lol, the grass is always bluer on another bike. looks awsome on the 1100

I already bought a new helmet and a bunch of paint, all in 'wineberry', so its a changin (unless you want to buy mine for a matching set lol )

[fat_sac]

Nice, somehow that color looks so much better on yours, probably because mine is blue and in my driveway lol, the grass is always bluer on another bike. looks awsome on the 1100

I already bought a new helmet and a bunch of paint, all in 'wineberry', so its a changin (unless you want to buy mine for a matching set lol )

Well thanks, I would like to buy yours for the right price though. how much you want for it? I have a 750 that I'm trying to piece together right now. Finding parts for this pig is a pain in the ass though.

[brenno]

I had never used a rattle can in my life.Learnt very quickly that you needed to be patient .I used a Power Plus in midnight black and am pretty happy for my first try.

Made the basic mistake of applying to heavy at first and I came out with words I had never heard of.Took me around 2 weeks.

Cheers Brenno

[Ogri]

I just love the way a bunch of you have assumed that there would be no air exchanges or no airflow when, in fact, most of my posts to date have mentioned using ducting to flow fresh air into the tent. How is it that all you "naysayers" missed this?

One would have to be a complete idiot to do ANY kind of painting without adequate ventalation. Between flowing air through a large electronic HEPA air filter and ducting that into the tent (from outside to avoid the spark danger) and having the garage door wide open, I can't imagine there being a major risk, especially since erecting a large tent is little different from buying a pre-fabbed set of shrouds sold commercially for the same purpose. If anything the tent material will allow MORE airflow than a portable paint booth would.

I appreciate the advice regarding the flammability of the fumes (which I had guessed at but not the extent of how careful to be) but the rest is rather basic common sense.

Regards,

What I see is a number of people who care for your safety. Would it sound better to you if we just kept quiet and then told you after the fact? Come on, step back for a moment and reread this thread from the prospective of those that have made comment. I think it's pretty good of the folks around here to make an effort to look out for you.

I'm done. Do as you please. If the worst happens, I have heard a saying that fits the situation well; " If you are going to be dumb, you have to be tough".
If the worst does not happen, may I suggest the purchase of a lotto ticket.

Good luck to you. I truly hope all works out for the best for you.

[rustybronco]

Actually I don't know which type of guns I have ... one came with the compressor (2 hp -- 8 gallon 3.8cfm/90psi), so I'd guess it's a suction style.

Regards,

look on the gun it should say hvlp or suction. a hvlp uses about 10+ cfm and a suction gun uses about 6+ cfm, the cfm ratings of compressors are greater at lower pressures and your compressor is to small to use it continusly but you can try to spray a little and let the compressor recover the air loss then spray some more, i started out that way and still do, do you have a neighbor or friend that may have a larger compressor?
Check with the manufacturer of the spray gun for the cfm rating and air cap and nozzle tip selection with your desired paint type. check with your paint supplier for the recommended mix of paint to hardener to thinner (their also good for gleaning information about painting just don't be a pest) the ppg that i used lately was 4:2:1 (4 parts paint 2 parts thinner 1 part hardener) there are a lot of sites that show how to adjust your guns for a proper spray pattern or check with your library for a book on painting, the books can be a little outdated though.
When you get your materials mix some paint and thinner and do a test spray on a clean piece of metal to adjust the gun for correct atomization and fan pattern then practice practice practice! or take it to a paint shop and pay big money for it.
I used to hang plastic sheeting and tape it together and wet down the floor in my garage so your tent idea if it doesn't create dust is a wonderful idea.

Remember your time doesn't cost you $$$ (unless you have a significant other that likes to shop) and you may have to redo it but at least you can say I DID IT!

p.s. i like to think most people have common sense. (fire and kaboom remarks)

[Nerobro]

The tent idea can work in two ways. Either positive pressure, or negative pressure. Either way, there was, and is, going to be a fan, filters, and lots of filtered airflow. :-) It's effectively the same as the plastic tarps/sheeting. I'm also not afraid to hookup ground wires to prevent and static buildup.

Respirators with organic solvent filters have already been purchased as well.

[8trackmind]

How is it that all you "naysayers" missed this?

Sorry to offend, Steve. Good luck with you're project.

[Planecrazy]

No Offense taken to either you or Ogri's remarks, and contrary to what he thinks the safety concern is always appreciated.

I was just surprised that assumptions were made that seemed to have overlooked the plan we had already stated in previous posts we were going to follow in order to make the "homebrew" paint booth work effectively (and safely). All of a sudden there were a slew of posts that implied we were idiots who were going to blow ourselves up, when clearly we had already laid out a plan to keep "cool" as it were...

Can't fault me for defending my "handle" on common sense and intelligence! ;-)

Regards,

[Planecrazy]

look on the gun it should say hvlp or suction. a hvlp uses about 10+ cfm and a suction gun uses about 6+ cfm, the cfm ratings of compressors are greater at lower pressures and your compressor is to small to use it continusly but you can try to spray a little and let the compressor recover the air loss then spray some more, i started out that way and still do, do you have a neighbor or friend that may have a larger compressor?
Check with the manufacturer of the spray gun for the cfm rating and air cap and nozzle tip selection with your desired paint type. check with your paint supplier for the recommended mix of paint to hardener to thinner (their also good for gleaning information about painting just don't be a pest) the ppg that i used lately was 4:2:1 (4 parts paint 2 parts thinner 1 part hardener) there are a lot of sites that show how to adjust your guns for a proper spray pattern or check with your library for a book on painting, the books can be a little outdated though.
When you get your materials mix some paint and thinner and do a test spray on a clean piece of metal to adjust the gun for correct atomization and fan pattern then practice practice practice! or take it to a paint shop and pay big money for it.
I used to hang plastic sheeting and tape it together and wet down the floor in my garage so your tent idea if it doesn't create dust is a wonderful idea.

Remember your time doesn't cost you $$$ (unless you have a significant other that likes to shop) and you may have to redo it but at least you can say I DID IT!

p.s. i like to think most people have common sense. (fire and kaboom remarks)

First of all, thank you for your confidence that I won't barbecue myself! It's against my religion! ;-)

Now, with regard to the paint sprayers, I still haven't looked at them, but I'm pretty sure they're both suction guns, because at least with the included one I would expect the manufacturer to "match" the tools to the compressor. I doubt I'll ever take on a large project requiring continuous spraying, so the little compressor will probably work out just fine. As I mentioned previously I've had good experience with rattle cans over the years, so I suspect I'll pick up the new improved method without too much trouble. In any case I look forward to learning!

Thanks for all the advice!