Two Part Paint Question +

[Guest]

I'm doing a repaint of my 83 GS 1100E. I'm using Martin Senour 2 part, color/clear, paint. How long do you wait between applying the basecoat, until you apply the clear? Basecoat is completed today, 6/2/08.
Also, where is the best place to buy the stock decal set? It would be for the red 83 GS 1100E model.

Thanks,
Stiksave

[renobruce]

I'm doing a repaint of my 83 GS 1100E. I'm using Martin Senour 2 part, color/clear, paint. How long do you wait between applying the basecoat, until you apply the clear? Basecoat is completed today, 6/2/08.
Also, where is the best place to buy the stock decal set? It would be for the red 83 GS 1100E model.

Thanks,
Stiksave

If you are allowing it to air dry, wait 24 hrs.

You can get decals here:

http://www.reproductiondecals.com/default_frameset.html?content.html~main

[posplayr]

Gs1100ED Red

Reproduction decals dont currently carry the 83 GS1100ED, they only have the GS1100EZ in red. It is close, they are making me a first run of decals which has a clear border where the red shows through instead of having red color in the decal. I also requested the black tail decal.

They should be done this week you should ask about a set for your self.

Posplayr

[rustybronco]

5-10 mins flash time for the base coat then followed by the clear in a production environment.
24 hours will be fine, but I think you will have to re-base it after 36 hours. then put the decals on and clear it. (or mid coat clear, decals, clear)
you could shoot 2-3 coats of clear, order your decals, sand the clear and apply the decals and shoot 2-3 coats again. read the paint product sheet it will say.

[Nessism]

What Rusty said about reading the product sheet for the paint. PPG basecoat requires recoat after 24 hours.

[stiksave]

Thanks for the input. I talked to the paint manager at my NAPA store. You can wait up to a week to apply the clear to the basecoat. As far as the second set of clearcoats, you have to have at least a week of cure time, otherwise it will wrinkle.

Thanks again,
stiksave

[stiksave]

One more look at a really red paint job. GM Victory Red.

[PAULYBOY]

Thanks for the input. I talked to the paint manager at my NAPA store. You can wait up to a week to apply the clear to the basecoat. As far as the second set of clearcoats, you have to have at least a week of cure time, otherwise it will wrinkle.

Thanks again,
stiksave

No offense to the "paint manager" , but that doesn't quite sound right. You can download usage sheets for any type of automotive paint online. Most, but not all, are closer to the timeframes mentioned here already. As for wrinkling, that sounds way out of bounds. These paints cure by way of chemical reaction and uv light contact, not evaporation, as in rattle cans.

[rustybronco]

As for wrinkling, that sounds way out of bounds.

It isn't correct.

Looks good so far, can we see the bike after the decals are on, cleared and assembled?

[Zooks]

Shops paint cars, bikes and furniture (etc etc) in a matter of hours not days.

[Nessism]

Link below contains mfg data for the paint. Find the right product and get the information you need.

http://www.martinsenour-autopaint.com/pds/martin/mspds.pdf

[stiksave]

The times I posted here were recomendations for a backyard mechanic doing a paint job,not a production, collision shop. The window for doing the clearcoat was longer than 24 hours. Since I don't have the decals in hand, he recomended waiting at least a week for the second set of clearcoat over the decals. He started talking about catalysts and chemical reactions and if I were doing the job. So that's what I relaid here. I did the clearcoat within 24 hours of the basecoat. I need to blocksand a few runs out.
I know that there are always discutions about painting on GSR, that's why I brought it up here. It's not a rattle can job. The Two part,basecoat/clearcoat is new to me. That's why I had questions. Go to my photobucket to see what before was like. The clear on that paint job cracked after 2 years, that's why the update. PS. I have about $85.00 US in the materials,(paint stuff).

Thanks,
Stiksave

[PAULYBOY]

$85 sounds about right. I recently got a quart of dupont clear, a half pint of hardener and a gallon of medium reducer wholesale thru the car dealer where I work and it cost me 57 bucks wholesale.

[rustybronco]

The times I posted here were recomendations for a backyard mechanic doing a paint job,not a production, collision shop.

The mfg's recommended times pertain to all who use the product, not just a backyard painter (like I am).
The chemical and mechanical bonds are what determine the time, product compatibility and sanding methods.

when you wet sand don't use your fingers, get a rubber pad (not block) to back up the paper.

backyard painter with an astro evo 4014...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d44/rustybronco/PICT2219.jpg

[stiksave]

The $85 covered, one quart primer w/hardner, one quart of basecoat, one quart of clearcoat w/hardner, and a quart of reducer. Add $14.00 for a gallon of laquer thinner for clean-up. All the NAPA Martin Senour Cross/Fire line. I used my work discount.
Being an old fart doesn't make me smart, asking questions does. My GS was the first motorcycle resurection I'd ever done. Couldn't have done it without this board, and e-bay.

FYI,
Stiksave