Solid State Power Box II : Market Research Poll

[Killdozer]

I want one, im in the process of rewiring my GS650 and my old stuff is junk. Sad i missed the original here.

[posplayr]

posplayr,

Has there been any progress on this? I have replaced the R/R on my 1100E with an SH775 and would like to compliment it with a SSPB II instead of soldiering on with a rattly old fuse box. I am fine with being a beta tester if it gets me set up sooner.


Mark

Mark,
At the moment you can see that the demand is very limited. Based on past experience I would be lucky to sell 3-4 in a first run. The incremental price drop did not really generate much increase in response. I guess it is a great idea if it was much cheaper, but then that is part of the (supply demand) paradox it is not cheaper because there is so little demand. I have another project at the moment, and if that goes ahead I might make a few of these SSPB II boards (as a piggy pack on the others) but that is a little "might".

If I order some more enclosures it might be easier for me to just build more of the originals. It really is going to be a matter of me having nothing else to do. Bottom line is , don't wait on me. Just make sure you clean all the connections and do the power and grounding mods.
Sorry,
Jim

[mmattockx]

If I order some more enclosures it might be easier for me to just build more of the originals. It really is going to be a matter of me having nothing else to do. Bottom line is , don't wait on me. Just make sure you clean all the connections and do the power and grounding mods.
Sorry,
Jim

Put me in line if you do make some more originals, I would really like to get rid of the OEM fusebox.


Mark

[JTGS850GL]

Don't limit you plans for GS series bikes. If you design for a wide range of clients you will get better results. I would recommend a more generic approach. I will still work for us and you'll get the additional benefit of a wider customer base.

[posplayr]

Don't limit you plans for GS series bikes. If you design for a wide range of clients you will get better results. I would recommend a more generic approach. I will still work for us and you'll get the additional benefit of a wider customer base.

Generic fusebox replacement is what the SSPB II is all about; cheaper, simpler, generic. The poll speaks for itself.

[Jamesp]

Posplayr
although I think both of these new products are great it seems u are a very busy fellow. And unless I've missed something most everyone that bought the original was very happy with the product. Since u already have that process and materials in a rhythm why not continue to make the original and just add the aux model for the guys with all the accessories? That way u get one extra circuit just like the fuse box ,not to mention all the other benefits ,and the guys with the accessories can buy the extra box. From what I've witnessed there are several of us already in line for the next run of the original and as folks continue to work on these bikes the market for u will continue to get better. Sometimes it takes a while for word to get out to everyone.

[posplayr]

Posplayr
although I think both of these new products are great it seems u are a very busy fellow. And unless I've missed something most everyone that bought the original was very happy with the product. Since u already have that process and materials in a rhythm why not continue to make the original and just add the aux model for the guys with all the accessories? That way u get one extra circuit just like the fuse box ,not to mention all the other benefits ,and the guys with the accessories can buy the extra box. From what I've witnessed there are several of us already in line for the next run of the original and as folks continue to work on these bikes the market for u will continue to get better. Sometimes it takes a while for word to get out to everyone.

There is nothing wrong with the SSPB other than it is more complex that what people want and it takes me too long to build it as is. Although I could charge a little more that is not going to help total sales which ultimately is what drives any profit.

The only way to make it a successful product is to make it more generic. The SSPB II and the SSAB are very similar in design sharing many of the same parts but are still distinctly different items which opens more market. The way they are designed they probably need 1/2 as much labor as the original SSPB. Parts cost is about the same.

[Killdozer]

Would you be willing to sell an original as a kit? IE all the parts and such, but i have solder it together? I have a nice weller WD01 soldering iron and the will to wield it.

[81GS850]

Posplayr an idea, what would be the cost savings of offering it as a "kit" you know, sell all the components and instruction sheet for someone to solder together. Megasquirt EFI does it this way. Then you wouldn't be out your time that it takes for each individual kit. You could also offer many different designs IE the SSPB I and II.

^^^^ beat me to it by two hours!

[posplayr]

Posplayr an idea, what would be the cost savings of offering it as a "kit" you know, sell all the components and instruction sheet for someone to solder together. Megasquirt EFI does it this way. Then you wouldn't be out your time that it takes for each individual kit. You could also offer many different designs IE the SSPB I and II.

^^^^ beat me to it by two hours!

Can you solder 0.8mill pitch surface mount parts (that means there is something less than 0.5mm separation between pins)? It takes a little while to figure it out.

I think that would be worse and take even more time.

One of the biggest pains in the @$$ is the 10 pin Molex connector; 2 out of 25 people wanted to crimp wires themselves and they may regret that decision now. And I did write a detailed analysis on various tools and procedures.

By spring, I might go ahead and finish the SSPB's that I still have heat sinks for, but that is an if. And if it comes to it I'm more likely to make the SSPB II and SSAB and try and sell them on Ebay.

[posplayr]

Would you be willing to sell an original as a kit? IE all the parts and such, but i have solder it together? I have a nice weller WD01 soldering iron and the will to wield it.

Sorry see my response to 81GS850 on the subject.

[81GS850]

No, and I didn't realize how close everything was packed in there. I'm just referencing the Megasquirt which to me should be way more complicated electronics wise, yet they put together a kit that allows the DIYer to build it. If it can't be done I understand, but I just thought I'd ask.

[huntb]

Can you solder 0.8mill pitch surface mount parts

Yes. Pretty much anything but BGA and QFN

[posplayr]

No, and I didn't realize how close everything was packed in there. I'm just referencing the Megasquirt which to me should be way more complicated electronics wise, yet they put together a kit that allows the DIYer to build it. If it can't be done I understand, but I just thought I'd ask.

I'm familiar with the mega squirts, the kits are designed to be DIY and the kits use pretty much only through hole parts.

In the SSPB design, matching the OEM fuse box foot print was a big driver, not so much because of board area but the narrow space available to squeeze the 10 pin molex connector in on one end and still carry 10 amps per channel. I was well into the layout before I was even sure if I could even make it fit with a 2 layer board. Nothing is super small (I try not to go below 1mm spacing), but other than the power parts they are all soldered/reflowed using a magnifying glass. I'm not saying that nobody will be able to do it, but it will be very few and not really worth the bother.

Then the whole thing is epoxy bonded to the heat sink, now I have to have instruction on that. I have learned the hard way that the 50-50 mixture has to be very close otherwise the thing never goes off and you just have a bunch of goo on the parts and $10 worth of wasted epoxy.

I use my test box to test this thing several times including stressing/testing before I commit to the epoxy encapsulation. You want instruction on how to build a production test box as well.

[posplayr]

Yes. Pretty much anything but BGA and QFN

OK sounds like you are one of the few