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    Timing an Electronic Ignition

    I found a few youtube videos where they only adjusted it when it was installed. That being said, I figure I would just check to make sure its still good.

    Anyone have any tips on how I can double check?

    I have a timing light, but I saw a guy ad a jumper from the coil wire to a test light and turned the crank, the light going on to show timing then adjusting the little blocks from there.
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    Best to do it running..gets it spot on the first time that way. And you dont have to make all the MacGyver bullcrap to do it. Time 1/4 and 2/3 to the F mark and then run up the RPMS and observe the governor adjust to the fully advanced marks at around 4500 RPMs. If the governor doesnt advance then remove everything and clean and lube it.
    Last edited by chuck hahn; 02-01-2017, 08:16 AM.
    MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
    1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

    NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


    I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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      #3
      Originally posted by chuck hahn View Post
      Best to do it running..gets it spot on the first time that way. And you dont have to make all the MacGyver bullcrap to do it. Time 1/4 and 2/3 to the F mark and then run up the RPMS and observe the governor adjust to the fully advanced marks at around 4500 RPMs. If the governor doesnt advance then remove everything and clean and lube it.
      Will do and thank you for helping me!! What your saying is half english to me, I dont really understand the governor part.

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        #4
        The "governor" part he's talking about is the mechanical advance mechanism behind the timing plate. It's basically just a spring and weight system that advances the timing as RPM climbs.
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        1998 Honda ST1100 (Daily long distance rider)
        1982 GS850GLZ (Daily rider when the weather is crap)

        Darn, with so many daily riders it's hard to decide which one to jump on next.;)

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          #5
          I have a Martek 440 and the stock coils it looks like. I checked it out and the point on the plastic part of the martek is just a hair back from the line on the plate its attached to. Obviously have no place to point the timing light and searching around it seems these hardly ever need to be adjusted. Im just going through the motions and making sure the ignition is all good before grabbing a jet kit for the carbs.

          Any suggestions or things to make sure this things timed correctly?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Caferob View Post
            I have a Martek 440 and the stock coils it looks like. I checked it out and the point on the plastic part of the martek is just a hair back from the line on the plate its attached to. Obviously have no place to point the timing light and searching around it seems these hardly ever need to be adjusted. Im just going through the motions and making sure the ignition is all good before grabbing a jet kit for the carbs.

            Any suggestions or things to make sure this things timed correctly?
            there
            has to be a mark to compare to the high voltage ignition spark unless you do the timing using a piston stop which is exceedingly difficult.
            the mark will probably not have an led flasher.

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              #7
              From a Honda 750 but should still be the same timing proceedures.






              Last edited by chuck hahn; 02-10-2017, 08:16 AM.
              MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
              1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

              NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


              I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                #8
                Set it up like he instructions say and start it . Then adjust using your timing light. You should see the timing mark on the engine thru the window in the base plate so you just time it by moving the pickups just like if your moving the original timing plate to get the marks lined up. The inner oval on the base plate here is what you look thru and should see the timing mark on the cases. If the molded in line is pointing close to the case mark than start it and point the timing light into the oval and then you move the base plate to adjust. The re arent any "blocks" on a Martek as they are sealed units, so just move the base plate by loosening the mounting screws and thats it.


                Last edited by chuck hahn; 02-10-2017, 08:32 AM.
                MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                  #9
                  Chuck,

                  Thats the thing, I dont see a "hole" to shine the timing light through. But ill take a look at the attachments in a few as I am about to head to the garage.

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                    #10
                    Should be the oval like the picture shows

                    EDIT....post up some pics of what you have there....that will help us see the dilema.
                    MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                    1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                    NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                    I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                      #11
                      not too sure why its sideways
                      Attached Files

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                        #12
                        What year bike and CCs is it?? Some had a metal plate with the timing on it that bolted in behind the OEM timing plate and some had a mark molded into the cases themselves. If your bike has the metal plate then the ignition would be askew to account for the timing marks orientation.
                        Looks like the indicator is pointing at what "appears" to be the timing mark though. Year and model will help and I can do some searches. But in any case you have the install instructions if you should need to pull it and take a peek.

                        EDIT....Went back and found another thread you started and noted you mentioned a 78 1000.

                        EDIT 2..I updated this post s I thought the ignition was setting in sideways..but upon a closer look its the picture itself thats sideways.
                        Last edited by chuck hahn; 02-12-2017, 03:51 PM.
                        MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                        1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                        NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                        I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                          #13
                          1978 GS1000, so the lines should be lined up with eachother? The notch is a fixed notch. Ill try lining them up today and see what happens.

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                            #14
                            The little pointed indicator the outer ring on the ignition should point at the timing mark on the engine cases itself. Just like in the picture above in post eight
                            Last edited by chuck hahn; 02-12-2017, 03:53 PM.
                            MY BIKES..1977 GS 750 B, 1978 GS 1000 C (X2)
                            1978 GS 1000 E, 1979 GS 1000 S, 1973 Yamaha TX 750, 1977 Kawasaki KZ 650B1, 1975 Honda GL1000 Goldwing, 1983 CB 650SC Nighthawk, 1972 Honda CB 350K4, 74 Honda CB550

                            NEVER SNEAK UP ON A SLEEPING DOG..NOT EVEN YOUR OWN.


                            I would rather trust my bike to a "QUACK" that KNOWS how to fix it rather than a book worm that THINKS HE KNOWS how to fix it.

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                              #15
                              So i matched the lines and the bike ran a little ****tier. I put the point from the martek just a shy to the left of the mark on the plate and the bike runs much better.

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