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    #16
    Ok, now I'm confused.....

    No tractor stores round here... not that I know of anyway.

    Can someone tell me which of the two sets will do the job? The copper core Dyna 7mm or the suppression core dyna 7mm. They are both on the links above.

    They come with boots but I could go for the NGK resistor ones if really necessary (added cost) & add them on but I've read there needs to a be a resistor at both ends... is this the case? If so is there one in the OEM coil already??

    CARBON (SUPPRESSION) CONDUCTORS

    Carbon conductors are used in original equipment ignition wires by most vehicle manufacturers, and in the majority of stock replacement wires. This style of ignition wire is cheap to manufacture and generally provides good suppression for both RFI (radio frequency interference) and EMI (electromagnetic interference). Conductor usually consists of a substrate of fiberglass and/or Kevlar over which high-resistance conductive latex or silicone is coated, and functions by reducing spark current (by resistance) to provide suppression a job it does well while the conductor lasts. Vehicle manufacturers treat ignition wires as service items to be replaced regularly, and limited life is never an issue. This type of conductor quickly fails (burns out) if a high-powered aftermarket ignition system is used.
    EMI (electromagnetic interference)
    EMI from spark plug wires can cause erroneous signals to be sent to engine management systems and other on-board electronic devices used on both racing and production vehicles in the same manner as RFI (radio frequency interference) can cause unwanted signals to be heard on a radio receiver. Engine running problems ranging from intermittent misses to a dramatic loss of power can result when engine management computers receive signals from sensors that have been altered by EMI emitted from spark plug wires. This problem is most noticeable on modern production vehicles used for commuting where virtually every function of the vehicle's drive train is managed by a computer. For many reasons, the effect of EMI on engine management computers is never predicable, and problems do become worse on production vehicles as sensors, connectors and wiring deteriorate and corrosion occurs. The problem is often exacerbated by replacing the original ignition system with a high-output system.
    SOLID CORE CONDUCTOR WIRES

    Solid metal (copper, tin-plated copper and/or stainless steel) conductor wires are still used in racing on carbureted engines, but can cause all sorts of running problems if used on vehicles with electronic ignition, fuel injection and engine management systems, particularly if vehicle is driven on the street — and damage to some original equipment and modern aftermarket electronic ignition and engine management systems can occur. Solid metal conductor wires cannot be suppressed to overcome EMI or RFI without the addition of current-reducing resistors at both ends of wires.

    It's a 1980 1000G so electronic ignition...

    Maybe I'll just give the store a ring that might be simpler!!

    Cheers,

    Dan
    Last edited by salty_monk; 11-21-2006, 07:41 PM.
    1980 GS1000G - Sold
    1978 GS1000E - Finished!
    1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
    1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
    2009 KLR 650 - Sold - gone to TX!
    1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
    2009 TE610 - Dual Sporting around dreaming of Dakar..... - FOR SALE!

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      #17
      You need solid core wires, DO NOT use suppression type leads.

      Dink

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        #18
        Solid core wires? In that case I must need to buy the NGK boots with the resistors in them?? Otherwise I risk interference with the electronic iginition?

        and i thought a HT lead was a HT lead was a HT lead...
        1980 GS1000G - Sold
        1978 GS1000E - Finished!
        1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
        1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
        2009 KLR 650 - Sold - gone to TX!
        1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
        2009 TE610 - Dual Sporting around dreaming of Dakar..... - FOR SALE!

        www.parasiticsanalytics.com

        TWINPOT BRAKE UPGRADE LINKY: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...e-on-78-Skunk/

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          #19
          Originally posted by salty_monk View Post
          Solid core wires? In that case I must need to buy the NGK boots with the resistors in them?? Otherwise I risk interference with the electronic iginition?

          and i thought a HT lead was a HT lead was a HT lead...
          Need to buy? Only if the boots are bad, they came stock that solid core wires and resistor boots and i don't think there would be a problem using just solid core wires and no resistors (caps, spark plugs or both) with the electronics on these bikes, cars with later computer managment systems that would be a problem.
          De-stinking Penelope http://thegsresources.com/_forum/sho...d.php?t=179245

          http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...35#post1625535

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            #20
            Yep... the rubber on them is perished too, I guess they are as old as the leads.

            Thanks for the clarification.

            Dan
            1980 GS1000G - Sold
            1978 GS1000E - Finished!
            1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
            1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
            2009 KLR 650 - Sold - gone to TX!
            1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
            2009 TE610 - Dual Sporting around dreaming of Dakar..... - FOR SALE!

            www.parasiticsanalytics.com

            TWINPOT BRAKE UPGRADE LINKY: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...e-on-78-Skunk/

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              #21
              The NGK boots are excellent quality, I recommend you go that way along with the non supression core wire.

              BTW Salty-Monk, I'm your neighbor since I live in Torrance. It's nice to learn that there are other GS folks in the area.

              Ed
              Ed

              To measure is to know.

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                #22
                Cool, know Torrance well. What model do you ride? I'll look out for you!

                The plot thickens with my plugs, I took a better look yesterday after a ride & it seems that is has NGK BPR7ES fitted.....

                From the info on Z1's site that's a hotter plug with a resistor in it... weird. Maybe it was fouling at some point or maybe that was all he could get....

                Anyone think of any reason why I shouldn't go back to an 8?

                If I get a resistor plug do I still need the resistor Caps?



                Who knew plugs & leads were so complicated
                1980 GS1000G - Sold
                1978 GS1000E - Finished!
                1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
                1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
                2009 KLR 650 - Sold - gone to TX!
                1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
                2009 TE610 - Dual Sporting around dreaming of Dakar..... - FOR SALE!

                www.parasiticsanalytics.com

                TWINPOT BRAKE UPGRADE LINKY: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...e-on-78-Skunk/

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                  #23
                  I would say they were all the PO could get. Yes you do need resistor caps. No you dont need resistor plugs. How do the plugs "read" a little dark? maybe why a hotter plug was fitted. A little light you should go back to an "8".

                  Dink

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                    #24
                    I'll have a read of a plug later today, thanks for all the help, it'll all get ordered on Monday & swapped over sometime soon...

                    Dan
                    1980 GS1000G - Sold
                    1978 GS1000E - Finished!
                    1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
                    1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
                    2009 KLR 650 - Sold - gone to TX!
                    1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
                    2009 TE610 - Dual Sporting around dreaming of Dakar..... - FOR SALE!

                    www.parasiticsanalytics.com

                    TWINPOT BRAKE UPGRADE LINKY: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...e-on-78-Skunk/

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                      #25
                      hows it holding up?

                      old thread, but given that this is a current topic of conversation, how did the new wires in the old coil switcheroo work out? any others do this with success, cause my wires are cracked and bleeding and need replacement too...

                      greg
                      1983 GS 1100 ESD :D

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                        #26
                        3 of them came out fine.... 1 of them was stuck fast & appeared to have been glued in place (perhaps a previous owner had tried it before). It snapped & was impossible to remove.

                        My advice is to try it & see what happens but be prepared to get a new set of coils in case it goes wrong like mine did.

                        I've heard the success rate is about 50%.

                        Dan
                        1980 GS1000G - Sold
                        1978 GS1000E - Finished!
                        1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
                        1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
                        2009 KLR 650 - Sold - gone to TX!
                        1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
                        2009 TE610 - Dual Sporting around dreaming of Dakar..... - FOR SALE!

                        www.parasiticsanalytics.com

                        TWINPOT BRAKE UPGRADE LINKY: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...e-on-78-Skunk/

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                          #27
                          why not use suppression wires?

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by uudfourty View Post
                            why not use suppression wires?
                            Suppression wires will work but I think you should use non resistor caps in that case. The hard caps, as made by NGK and the stockers, are nice since they seal well and are easy to fit down on the plugs. No major deal either way you go.
                            Ed

                            To measure is to know.

                            Mikuni O-ring Kits For Sale...https://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...ts#post1703182

                            Top Newbie Mistakes thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...d.php?t=171846

                            Carb rebuild tutorial...https://gsarchive.bwringer.com/mtsac...d_Tutorial.pdf

                            KZ750E Rebuild Thread...http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...0-Resurrection

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                              #29
                              I did use suppression wires without resistor caps. They are the dyna ones from Z1. Work fine.

                              Dan
                              1980 GS1000G - Sold
                              1978 GS1000E - Finished!
                              1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
                              1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
                              2009 KLR 650 - Sold - gone to TX!
                              1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
                              2009 TE610 - Dual Sporting around dreaming of Dakar..... - FOR SALE!

                              www.parasiticsanalytics.com

                              TWINPOT BRAKE UPGRADE LINKY: http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum...e-on-78-Skunk/

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