failed my cert. Neutral safety swith 83 gs550es

[Steve]

a problem with my neutral safety switch?
... if in gear and the kick is down it will kill the motor. anyone have any experience with this switch and what to look for

My Wing has this feature, but neither of the GSs. With both of my GSs, you have to pull the clutch to start them. The 650 has no light for the side stand. The 850 has a light in the speedo to let you know when the stand is down, but it neither kills the engine, nor prevents starting it. There was no switch for the side stand when I got the bike. I found one on eBay, and it works, but I think it's reversed. By hooking it directly to the wires, the light is on when the stand is UP. :shock:

The Wing has several different "safety" systems related to the ignition system. If it is not in neutral, you must pull the clutch lever. If the side stand is down in anything but neutral, it kills the engine. If the reverse lever is engaged and the engine is off, you can not start the engine. And this is all on top of the normal "kill" switch. Makes it interesting to diagnose an engine that won't start. 8-[

I think Spyug has it right when he said "The neutral safety starting switch, if originally fitted, shall not have been removed and shall function as prescribed by the manufacturer."


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[MelodicMetalGod]

Just wanted echo everyone else by saying that I don't believe that the side stand down on these bikes will kill the engine. It certainly doesn't work as such on mine, although the warning light for the side stand will illuminate.

I will say that my first bike had a neutral switch that would often give "false neutral" when in gear. The guy that was inspecting my bike trusted the light (like I was always taught you should NEVER do) and he almost clutch-popped my bike into the wall he parked in front of. He failed the bike, probably because he knew I saw him almost pop into the wall and he needed something to blame it on. I replaced the switch and they passed the bike.

Best of luck!

[rustybronco]

starter interlock switch?, looking at this electrical drawing I cant find a clutch safety switch.[URL]only thing i can think of is the starter interlock switch, guy said it to do with the bike in gear and kick stand down.

The starter interlock switch IS the clutch lever switch and is called that (starter interlock...) in my 1982 gs850 manual.

the side stand light functions but he told me something about have the stand down and bike in gear it should kill the engine.. thanks again .

SHOULD??? not it does not! tell him to get a job licking postage stamps, for that he is qualified... and show him the wiring diagram.

[Billy Ricks]

... and show him the wiring diagram.

That would be a great idea to take a wiring diagram with you. Then see if the buffoon can make heads or tails of it.

[HiSPL]

GS's do not have a sidestand interlock. They have a sidestand idiot light and that's all.


Most modern bikes do have a sidestand interlock. It is not a requirement in the US yet but it is in some other countries. It will kill the engine if you shift out of neutral while the sidestand is down.

Find a new inspection place. I bet this guy doesn't know any bikes outside of the GSXR/R1 sphere....:roll:

[derwood]

I've only seen the sidestand kill switch on Yamaha, suzuki uses a warning lamp

[jimcor]

My '86 Concours has this kickstand kill switch switch. It will prevent you from riding off with the stand down.

Of course the 80 550L does not.

[$hitfoot]

anyone have a wiring diagram for 83 gs550es? there are 2 leads under the headlight shroud look to be disconnected , black/whit. and brown come from the same harness that the headlights are hooked into, highbeams and everything else i can think that they may be are functioning normal. Ordered my fork seals today and should have by tomorrow or Monday.

the report print out from the GP bikes in Ajax Ontario.

Fork seals leaking/ No Neutral safety system.

Maybe you know a good shop to recommend.

[Billy Ricks]

anyone have a wiring diagram for 83 gs550es? there are 2 leads under the headlight shroud look to be disconnected , black/whit. and brown come from the same harness that the headlights are hooked into, highbeams and everything else i can think that they may be are functioning normal. Ordered my fork seals today and should have by tomorrow or Monday.

the report print out from the GP bikes in Ajax Ontario.

Fork seals leaking/ No Neutral safety system.

Maybe you know a good shop to recommend.

The two loose wires are for auxiliary lighting. You're going to have to find a way to convince them your bike doesn't have a neutral safety switch. I can give you a copy of my '85 700 diagram. Wiring will be close to the same and it may help you convince the inspector they didn't have that feature back then.

[Billy Ricks]

Here's a link to my diagram. You might want to print it out on your highest print setting then blow it up so you get more detail.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/toonce/WiringDiagram.jpg?t=1184871056

[gremlin]

be for you go back to have your bike retested. stop in and see if thay have a form for grievances for the inspection processes. if thay ask why tell them you took the bike to the shop. and were told thay could do a up date to your motorcycle for a feature that never came factory, to pass inspection. also tell them you had a loss of use of the motorcycle for a few days waiting on the factory to confirm to the dealer that feature was never installed on that bike.


I have had to deal with a few road side inspections. we dont have state inspections yeaaaaa. but a few cops tryed to have my motorcycle towed, thay never got the job done. one time i had a blown low beam. I just truned on the brite and adjusted the light to hit low. so i did not shine in the eyes of on coming trafic. the cop got poed big time when I told him i was going to fight it.

[Calvin Blackmore]

download and print the diagram fromt he manual available at repairmanulclub.com

There is no neutral safety

only a light for the sidestand that is triggered by a switch adjacet to the stand

and a starter interlock switch that prevent you from launching yourself into a fall by driving the bike in gear with the starter.

[mpogue]

anyone have a wiring diagram for 83 gs550es? there are 2 leads under the headlight shroud look to be disconnected , black/whit. and brown come from the same harness that the headlights are hooked into, highbeams and everything else i can think that they may be are functioning normal. Ordered my fork seals today and should have by tomorrow or Monday.

the report print out from the GP bikes in Ajax Ontario.

Fork seals leaking/ No Neutral safety system.

Maybe you know a good shop to recommend.

If you don't mind going another 35 mins north/east, there's Asselstines Suzuki/Yamaha in Blackstock (15 mins north of Bowmanville). http://www.asselstines.com/ Been with them for 20 years. I've heard that GP isn't really into older bikes and prefers the Ducati's since that's there main sellers. There really isn't much around in this area that I know of. I know of another mechanic in Hampton, but I can't think of the name of his garage. Don't know much about him or if he can do safety's.

[spyug]

You can certainly greeve this with the MTO. Get a hold of your local MTO office and ask for the Inspector. Outline your situation and see what he suggests.

If they are wrong.....as they were with me, he can give you the rules or print out what the rules are in an e-mail and you can go back on them.

If you have a real grievance, it is the MTOs responsibilitly to follow up with the mechanic and set him right.

Don't go down without a fight and don't feel you have to slink off to another shop to get satisfaction.

Stick to your guns make them own up to their own mistakes. It is a very liberating experience, trust me I know.

Cheers and good luck,
spyug.

[spyug]

Sorry, I got really ****ed when I read this thread. What did they say or what did they show you when you got the bike from them?

I take it they kind of fluffed you off. Not acceptable.

As per my previous post, you have to go back on them using the MTO as your big stick.

Don't let them off.

Its not only you.....its the poor smuck coming next.

How much did it cost you for no cert?

Get mad...then get her done ( to paraphrase a great human being,,Larry the Cable Guy).

Seriously, walking away lets them off the hook...they need to be made to understand.

Talk to us
Cheers,
Spyug.