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    Katana wheel swap - WTH?

    I'm swapping my GS 1000 to 17" wheels. I've bolted up my GS 1100 aluminum swingarm and mocked up the rear wheel.

    The wheel is about 12 mm off centerto the right. I have the wheel spacers set so that the sprocket bolts are under 4mm from the left side of the swing arm, which is about as close as they should get.

    The only solution seems to be a narrower rear sprocket drum. I've checked the parts fiche for various models and found that all the 600/750 Kats use the same one.

    The GSXRs use a much narrower one, probably too narrow

    The Bandits use a similar one, can't tell if the width is different

    I can't use the GS one, different size

    I thought the Katana wheels was a straight swap.

    What's going on?

    Anyone got a Kat wheel set up that can measure the distance between the left side of the wheel hub and the right side of the sprocket (from behind)? Mine's about 44 mm.
    Last edited by Big T; 02-22-2010, 01:43 AM.
    1978 GS 1000 (since new)
    1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
    1978 GS 1000 (parts)
    1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
    1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
    1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
    2007 DRz 400S
    1999 ATK 490ES
    1994 DR 350SES

    #2
    If you install a 6mm thick spacer behind the countershaft sprocket, you should be very close to centered. Ray.

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      #3
      If I remember correctly I used some 5-6mm spacer behind the front sprocket to offset it outwards AND shaved off another 6mm from the rear sprocket carrier. Then I was able to get get the wheel centred and chain line straight.

      So this was my -83 GS1100 and wheel form GSX600F / Katana.
      Arttu
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      Project thread

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        #4
        Originally posted by ArttuH View Post
        If I remember correctly I used some 5-6mm spacer behind the front sprocket to offset it outwards AND shaved off another 6mm from the rear sprocket carrier. Then I was able to get get the wheel centred and chain line straight.

        So this was my -83 GS1100 and wheel form GSX600F / Katana.
        sounds like another straight bolt on

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          #5
          Originally posted by posplayr View Post
          sounds like another straight bolt on
          Isn't that the truth.........

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            #6
            Originally posted by rapidray View Post
            If you install a 6mm thick spacer behind the countershaft sprocket, you should be very close to centered. Ray.
            ????

            How is that going to center my wheel in the swing arm?
            1978 GS 1000 (since new)
            1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
            1978 GS 1000 (parts)
            1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
            1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
            1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
            2007 DRz 400S
            1999 ATK 490ES
            1994 DR 350SES

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              #7
              Kat wheel

              yer gota Pm

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                #8
                Pics

                For those of you that need pictures, here they are:

                Wheel is about 5/8" offset to right



                Sprocket can't get much closer to left side of swing arm



                So far, sounds like I'll have to do what ArttuH did and have 5-6 mm shaved off the sprocket drum
                Last edited by Big T; 02-22-2010, 02:58 PM.
                1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                2007 DRz 400S
                1999 ATK 490ES
                1994 DR 350SES

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                  #9
                  spacer

                  Im sure that spacer you got on chain sprox side is the wrong one.

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                    #10
                    Are you using a GS1100 sprocket carrier? If no, give it a try they are not as wide or at least less wide than GSXR and Bandit.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by isleoman View Post
                      Are you using a GS1100 sprocket carrier? If no, give it a try they are not as wide or at least less wide than GSXR and Bandit.
                      I'm not using the GS 1100 sprocket drum, isn't that a 6 prong like the GS 1000?

                      I am using the GSX Katana Sprocket drum, which has 5 prongs to match the wheel
                      1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                      1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                      1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                      1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                      1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                      1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                      2007 DRz 400S
                      1999 ATK 490ES
                      1994 DR 350SES

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by gshub View Post
                        Im sure that spacer you got on chain sprox side is the wrong one.
                        Even if it is, I've only for about 4 mm before the sprocket bolts hit the swingarm. I'll need about 4-6 mm more to get the wheel centered
                        1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                        1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                        1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                        1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                        1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                        1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                        2007 DRz 400S
                        1999 ATK 490ES
                        1994 DR 350SES

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Big T View Post
                          I'm not using the GS 1100 sprocket drum, isn't that a 6 prong like the GS 1000?

                          I am using the GSX Katana Sprocket drum, which has 5 prongs to match the wheel
                          yep, 1100 = six prong, I'm officially out of ideas.

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                            #14
                            You could do what i did to get the 5.5" wheel on my 750....

                            1. Adjust spacer that butts up to the left side of swingarm in order to move it over.
                            2. Adjust the spacer/bush that goes in the sprocket drive (you may need to relieve some areas where the cush drives fit so that they don't touch). I found that I could get at least 4mm extra space this way. I just ground the spacer down & clearance to suit.

                            This way I didn't need to have any "meat" turned off the front face of the sprocket drive.

                            Got a few miles on it now & it works fine.

                            Also what chain are you using? a 530 setup might allow you to shorten the bolts by the amount you need & move it all over on the outside spacer. A 520 definitely would but might be shortlived on a 1000 (although 80GS1000 uses one on his spicy motor with no issues).

                            Dan
                            Last edited by salty_monk; 02-22-2010, 06:19 PM.
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                            1980 GS550E - Fixed & given to a friend
                            1983 GS750ES Special - Sold
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                            1982 GS1100G - Rebuilt and finished. - Sold
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by salty_monk View Post
                              You could do what i did to get the 5.5" wheel on my 750....

                              1. Adjust spacer that butts up to the left side of swingarm in order to move it over.
                              2. Adjust the spacer/bush that goes in the sprocket drive (you may need to relieve some areas where the cush drives fit so that they don't touch). I found that I could get at least 4mm extra space this way. I just ground the spacer down & clearance to suit.

                              This way I didn't need to have any "meat" turned off the front face of the sprocket drive.

                              Got a few miles on it now & it works fine.

                              Also what chain are you using? a 530 setup might allow you to shorten the bolts by the amount you need & move it all over on the outside spacer. A 520 definitely would but might be shortlived on a 1000 (although 80GS1000 uses one on his spicy motor with no issues).

                              Dan
                              Dan,

                              Even if I move the hub 4 mm closer to the swingarm, I'm still going to need more to get the wheel centered. I'd rather cut the drum 6-8 mm if there's enough metal there

                              I haven't gotten a chain as yet, the 530 with an offset front sprocket seems to be the way to go, altho my motor is not yet built up (as far as I know).

                              I'm trying to get the rear wheel centered so I can determine the offset for the front sprocket.

                              I was hoping to hear a solution from someone else who had this issue.
                              1978 GS 1000 (since new)
                              1979 GS 1000 (The Fridge, superbike replica project)
                              1978 GS 1000 (parts)
                              1981 GS 850 (anyone want a project?)
                              1981 GPZ 550 (backroad screamer)
                              1970 450 Mk IIID (THUMP!)
                              2007 DRz 400S
                              1999 ATK 490ES
                              1994 DR 350SES

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